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I think that's a shame. Some of my contacts only have WhatsApp, and I am definitely not gonna install that Spyware. So to those, I am still sending pictures by

I think that's a shame. Some of my contacts only have WhatsApp, and I am definitely not gonna install that Spyware. So to those, I am still sending pictures by MMS.

hocuspocus 5y ago
Hopefully by 2023 the state of RCS will have improved.
- Arcanum-XIII 5y ago
  Except most carrier don't want to implement it — it will need new investment in architecture, new bilateral negociation between operator, new routing partners... and it's backed by Google, which seems to not reassure anyone.
  - zibzab 5y ago
    Well, with this move they simply will have to. Thankfully, it's not driven by Google, just "approved" by them. You don't want to use a Google technology for thinga you want to continue to exist 4 years from now.
    - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
      When you say it's not driven by Google - who exactly is pushing carriers to adopt RCS if not Google?
  - hocuspocus 5y ago
    Many carriers already have. The main issue is that Google is steamrolling their own IaaS solution (Jibe) while some carriers (like Swisscom for instance) have actually implemented Universal Profile on their own, and are now left out.
    - tssva 5y ago
      How are they left out? If they have implemented Universal Profile they should be able to interoperate with those using Jibe's.
      - hocuspocus 5y ago
        Google seems not interested in interconnected third party RCS hubs anymore. The current situation means that people who are directly connected to Google's own Jibe infrastructure can message carrier-operated Jibe deployments. But they can't message third party RCS networks or vice-versa.
        cmurf 5y ago
        What a hilarious way to kill RCS growth beyond where it is. Why?
        hocuspocus 5y ago
        The people I asked didn't know. Pure speculation: Google got frustrated with carriers moving too slowly even after acquiring Jibe. I understand carriers not being compelled by Google's lack of vision for mobile messaging then. Especially given that Apple won't give a damn. A few years pass and Google decides to pivot their messaging services once again, and that now is the time to push RCS for real. Google managed to convince big carriers on several continents that Jibe is the solution. And they probably think the small ones will eventually cave in.
        toast0 5y ago
        > Why? This is only speculation, but it's Google. You don't get promoted for making an existing messenger work, or work better. Better to abandon it and join a team making a new messenger.
- lxgr 5y ago
  Honestly, at this point I don't think there is hope for RCS. And even if there was: I really don't like the idea of an (at least somewhat) carrier-controlled messaging service. Especially the lack of multi-device messaging/not being able to access my account without my phone is really frustrating. We had all of that with instant messengers in the early 2000s (proprietary or open/federated) – RCS seems like a big step back in that regard.
lota-putty 5y ago
Try email, better privacy than MMS. I was a MMSC developer over a decade ago, don't ask what most of the MMS traffic was.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  I know, I know *hugs*
lxgr 5y ago
This seems like a bad tradeoff, considering that MMS are entirely unencrypted and traverse a lot of legacy infrastructure.
- merb 5y ago
  legacy yes, entirely unencrypted is mostly wrong. mms used tls in later revisions (it uses soap in mm7 upwards)
  - lxgr 5y ago
    Point-to-point transport layer encryption is not even worth mentioning anymore these days, in my opinion. SMTP uses TLS, yet I would not call email an encrypted messaging service.

I think that's a shame. Some of my contacts only have WhatsApp, and I am definitely not gonna install that Spyware. So to those, I am still sending pictures by MMS.

hocuspocus 5y ago

Hopefully by 2023 the state of RCS will have improved.

Arcanum-XIII 5y ago
Except most carrier don't want to implement it — it will need new investment in architecture, new bilateral negociation between operator, new routing partners... and it's backed by Google, which seems to not reassure anyone.
- zibzab 5y ago
  Well, with this move they simply will have to. Thankfully, it's not driven by Google, just "approved" by them. You don't want to use a Google technology for thinga you want to continue to exist 4 years from now.
  - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
    When you say it's not driven by Google - who exactly is pushing carriers to adopt RCS if not Google?
- hocuspocus 5y ago
  Many carriers already have. The main issue is that Google is steamrolling their own IaaS solution (Jibe) while some carriers (like Swisscom for instance) have actually implemented Universal Profile on their own, and are now left out.
  - tssva 5y ago
    How are they left out? If they have implemented Universal Profile they should be able to interoperate with those using Jibe's.
    - hocuspocus 5y ago
      Google seems not interested in interconnected third party RCS hubs anymore. The current situation means that people who are directly connected to Google's own Jibe infrastructure can message carrier-operated Jibe deployments. But they can't message third party RCS networks or vice-versa.
      - cmurf 5y ago
        What a hilarious way to kill RCS growth beyond where it is. Why?
        hocuspocus 5y ago
        The people I asked didn't know. Pure speculation: Google got frustrated with carriers moving too slowly even after acquiring Jibe. I understand carriers not being compelled by Google's lack of vision for mobile messaging then. Especially given that Apple won't give a damn. A few years pass and Google decides to pivot their messaging services once again, and that now is the time to push RCS for real. Google managed to convince big carriers on several continents that Jibe is the solution. And they probably think the small ones will eventually cave in.
        toast0 5y ago
        > Why? This is only speculation, but it's Google. You don't get promoted for making an existing messenger work, or work better. Better to abandon it and join a team making a new messenger.
lxgr 5y ago
Honestly, at this point I don't think there is hope for RCS. And even if there was: I really don't like the idea of an (at least somewhat) carrier-controlled messaging service. Especially the lack of multi-device messaging/not being able to access my account without my phone is really frustrating. We had all of that with instant messengers in the early 2000s (proprietary or open/federated) – RCS seems like a big step back in that regard.

lota-putty 5y ago

Try email, better privacy than MMS. I was a MMSC developer over a decade ago, don't ask what most of the MMS traffic was.

kingcharles 5y ago
I know, I know *hugs*

lxgr 5y ago

This seems like a bad tradeoff, considering that MMS are entirely unencrypted and traverse a lot of legacy infrastructure.

merb 5y ago
legacy yes, entirely unencrypted is mostly wrong. mms used tls in later revisions (it uses soap in mm7 upwards)
- lxgr 5y ago
  Point-to-point transport layer encryption is not even worth mentioning anymore these days, in my opinion. SMTP uses TLS, yet I would not call email an encrypted messaging service.