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Personally, I think it's merely increased individualism, exasperated by globalism. You can still exercise your democratic right in the UK, Brexit being a good

Personally, I think it's merely increased individualism, exasperated by globalism. You can still exercise your democratic right in the UK, Brexit being a good example, which was both unsupported by any meanstream party and a totally unexpected outcome. The Tories are in power because the previous iteration of the Labour party was simply a joke. If you mean to say we're going backwards because you don't like such events, then personally I think that's something else.

n4r9 5y ago
Brexit is a good example of how democratic processes need improvement. Regardless of the outcome it's embarrassing that such a poorly regulated process with ill-defined outcomes, misinformation, and fraud, has led to a dramatic change in direction. Also worth noting that the mainstream parties having a position does not somehow make it more democratic. Cameron's government was facing a lot of criticism at the time and there's a strong argument that some of the pro-Brexit votes were in protest against the government.
LatteLazy 5y ago
I think Brexit is a perfect example of what I am talking about. People think Brexit was democratic because there was a vote. But only something like 37% of eligible people voted for it. over a third didn't turn out (in part because no one expected it to pass?). And the vote was very regional: Scotland and London wanted to stay. But we're getting dragged out. And the people who voted for brexit didn't vote for brexit, they collectively voted for one of at least 3 different, mutually exclusive things all called brexit, so they are mostly disappointed. So you have less than 10 percent of voters getting what they actually voted "for". And that's for a permanent change, not a government who's policies can be reversed next election. And that's without getting into the fake news, lies, impossible promises, broken promises, etc. You may be a brexiteer, or a remainer like me. But we should all agree, the only thing democratic about brexit was that there was technically a vote. Which is about the same as North Korea or China manages...

n4r9 5y ago

Brexit is a good example of how democratic processes need improvement. Regardless of the outcome it's embarrassing that such a poorly regulated process with ill-defined outcomes, misinformation, and fraud, has led to a dramatic change in direction. Also worth noting that the mainstream parties having a position does not somehow make it more democratic. Cameron's government was facing a lot of criticism at the time and there's a strong argument that some of the pro-Brexit votes were in protest against the government.

LatteLazy 5y ago

I think Brexit is a perfect example of what I am talking about. People think Brexit was democratic because there was a vote. But only something like 37% of eligible people voted for it. over a third didn't turn out (in part because no one expected it to pass?). And the vote was very regional: Scotland and London wanted to stay. But we're getting dragged out. And the people who voted for brexit didn't vote for brexit, they collectively voted for one of at least 3 different, mutually exclusive things all called brexit, so they are mostly disappointed. So you have less than 10 percent of voters getting what they actually voted "for". And that's for a permanent change, not a government who's policies can be reversed next election. And that's without getting into the fake news, lies, impossible promises, broken promises, etc. You may be a brexiteer, or a remainer like me. But we should all agree, the only thing democratic about brexit was that there was technically a vote. Which is about the same as North Korea or China manages...