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4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How

4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How many people has self driving cars and their research and development killed? Vanishingly few by comparison. The situation is very analogous to covid and vaccines.

jquery 5y ago
What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  > What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
  - jquery 5y ago
    That timeline you linked matched up with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine timelines. mRNA pre-clinical data had been being researched for over a decade. I don’t see anything that conflicts with what I said. Are you under the mistaken impression that mRNA vaccine research began in 2019? Again, you’re claiming vaccine guardrails were removed but posting no evidence. Do they do 5-10 year trials on the annual flu vaccine? Please show me an authoritative medical source concerned about major shortcuts taken bringing the mRNA vaccine to market. Should be a piece of cake.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      I don't know what your first paragraph means, what matched up? I don't know what you mean by guardrail either. Vaccine trials were significantly accelerated from typical vaccines, long term data was foregone and emergency use authorizations were used to deploy them. I don't know what you're trying to argue or whether you're actually trying to deny that reality.

jquery 5y ago

What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
> What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
- jquery 5y ago
  That timeline you linked matched up with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine timelines. mRNA pre-clinical data had been being researched for over a decade. I don’t see anything that conflicts with what I said. Are you under the mistaken impression that mRNA vaccine research began in 2019? Again, you’re claiming vaccine guardrails were removed but posting no evidence. Do they do 5-10 year trials on the annual flu vaccine? Please show me an authoritative medical source concerned about major shortcuts taken bringing the mRNA vaccine to market. Should be a piece of cake.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    I don't know what your first paragraph means, what matched up? I don't know what you mean by guardrail either. Vaccine trials were significantly accelerated from typical vaccines, long term data was foregone and emergency use authorizations were used to deploy them. I don't know what you're trying to argue or whether you're actually trying to deny that reality.