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99.5% penis comes with testosterone and resulting male anatomical characteristics. The exception proves the rule.

by wrycoder 5y ago

andrepd 5y ago
The comment was about cultural gender roles, not anatomy.
- xdennis 5y ago
  They're the same almost 100% of the time.
- yakubin 5y ago
  Even if you make the distinction, "female" describes sex, not gender. So the acronym "AFAB" is a bit internally contradictory if you remember that it was created in order to underline the distinction. Then again, these days more often I see people denying the existence of sex, and replacing it with gender altogether, so maybe it's not that surprising after all.
  - heurisko 5y ago
    "AFAB" is an appropriation from literature describing DSDs, where sex was to some extent "assigned" in the case of ambiguity. Applying it to the population at large is absurd, but has become popular within some social circles.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Even if you make the distinction, "female" describes sex, not gender Sex is a multidimensional spectrum. "Sex" categories are, in fact, genders--social constructs.
    - yakubin 5y ago
      Wikipedia[1]: > Female (symbol: ) is the sex of an organism that produces the large non-motile ova (egg cells), the type of gamete (sex cell) that fuses with the male gamete during sexual reproduction. [1]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female>
    - okeuro49 5y ago
      > Sex is a multidimensional spectrum. "Sex" categories are, in fact, genders--social constructs. Sex is not a multidimensional spectrum. There are two sexes: male and female, this is statistically observable as a binary. Deviations from this binary are not "third" or "fourth" sexes. It's not a social phenomenon. The reason why people seem incapable of saying this today, is for political and legal aims (if you can't change legislation that refers to "sex", change what the word means), or a misguided attempt to be progressive.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Sex is not a multidimensional spectrum. Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. > There are two sexes: male and female, Those binary sex categories are a social construct layered on top of the multidimensional physical reality.
        heurisko 5y ago
        > Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. Sex traits in most cases follow a binary distribution, unless you take something like phenotypical height. In the aggregrate, they also form "sex" which is binary. Differences in sexual traits do not create "third, or fourth" sexes. > Those binary sex categories are a social construct layered on top of the multidimensional physical reality. This is an ideological perspective, which is pushed forwards by those who want to change the law around sex, by redefining what sex means. For example, under the Equality Act 2010 (UK), hospital wards are allowed to keep sex segregated for reasons of privacy and dignity, which to some is unacceptable. Sex is an observation of a physical reality, not a "social construct". It would have been unremarkable to say this even 5 years ago. The physical reality around sex has not changed, rather the ideology around it has, which is why I'm going to leave this discussion there, as there's no reasoning with that.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > > Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. > Sex traits in most cases follow a binary distribution Which is exactly saying they, in the whole, actually follow a bimodal, rather than binary, distribution.

99.5% penis comes with testosterone and resulting male anatomical characteristics. The exception proves the rule.

andrepd 5y ago

The comment was about cultural gender roles, not anatomy.

xdennis 5y ago
They're the same almost 100% of the time.
yakubin 5y ago
Even if you make the distinction, "female" describes sex, not gender. So the acronym "AFAB" is a bit internally contradictory if you remember that it was created in order to underline the distinction. Then again, these days more often I see people denying the existence of sex, and replacing it with gender altogether, so maybe it's not that surprising after all.
- heurisko 5y ago
  "AFAB" is an appropriation from literature describing DSDs, where sex was to some extent "assigned" in the case of ambiguity. Applying it to the population at large is absurd, but has become popular within some social circles.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Even if you make the distinction, "female" describes sex, not gender Sex is a multidimensional spectrum. "Sex" categories are, in fact, genders--social constructs.
  - yakubin 5y ago
    Wikipedia[1]: > Female (symbol: ) is the sex of an organism that produces the large non-motile ova (egg cells), the type of gamete (sex cell) that fuses with the male gamete during sexual reproduction. [1]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female>
  - okeuro49 5y ago
    > Sex is a multidimensional spectrum. "Sex" categories are, in fact, genders--social constructs. Sex is not a multidimensional spectrum. There are two sexes: male and female, this is statistically observable as a binary. Deviations from this binary are not "third" or "fourth" sexes. It's not a social phenomenon. The reason why people seem incapable of saying this today, is for political and legal aims (if you can't change legislation that refers to "sex", change what the word means), or a misguided attempt to be progressive.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Sex is not a multidimensional spectrum. Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. > There are two sexes: male and female, Those binary sex categories are a social construct layered on top of the multidimensional physical reality.
      - heurisko 5y ago
        > Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. Sex traits in most cases follow a binary distribution, unless you take something like phenotypical height. In the aggregrate, they also form "sex" which is binary. Differences in sexual traits do not create "third, or fourth" sexes. > Those binary sex categories are a social construct layered on top of the multidimensional physical reality. This is an ideological perspective, which is pushed forwards by those who want to change the law around sex, by redefining what sex means. For example, under the Equality Act 2010 (UK), hospital wards are allowed to keep sex segregated for reasons of privacy and dignity, which to some is unacceptable. Sex is an observation of a physical reality, not a "social construct". It would have been unremarkable to say this even 5 years ago. The physical reality around sex has not changed, rather the ideology around it has, which is why I'm going to leave this discussion there, as there's no reasoning with that.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > > Sex consists of multiple different traits which have a bimodal, not binary, distribution. > Sex traits in most cases follow a binary distribution Which is exactly saying they, in the whole, actually follow a bimodal, rather than binary, distribution.