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Windows with WSL2 is great. Have you tried that? VSCode can run from WSL2 and have access to its file system

tragictrash 5y ago
Tell me you don't use Linux without telling me you don't use linux Wsl is pretty terrible in my experience. your better off using a vm you manage yourself. Every vendor has shared folders. Each one can use a x server to display programs in your windows window manager.
- ygjb 5y ago
  Oh please. Tell me you are a Linux zealot without telling me you are a Linux zealot. Its a tool in the toolbox. I use Linux everyday on servers at work, two desktops at home, and servers for my partners businesses. My main personal notebook is a windows device w/WSL and my main work notebook is a MacOS device, because at the end of the day, I need my computer's to just work, painlessly. WSL is great for alot of Linux userspace stuff and is a fantastic CLI for interacting with and managing remote servers, alongside the ease of Windows. Of course it's not as performance, and had some edges, but I happily accept the trade-offs due to great driver support and the flexibility to run almost any software on one device.
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    I think you misunderstood that remark intended to be humorous. Its too bad you took offense. Your right about it being a tool. A tool which has better alternatives. A virtual machine running in virtual box or some other vendor's VM has literally none of the limitations that wsl2 does. WSL 2 Doesn't fully support all userspace stuff, I bump into that all the time. You can ssh into other boxes using PowerShell. It is objectively bad compared to the alternatives.
    - Osiris 5y ago
      "better"? Every tool has pros and cons and tradeoffs. I run Linux, Windows, and MacOS. Each one has it's pros and cons. Each is the "better" tool depending on the need. The same goes for programming languages and engineering problems. I train my team to identify multiple possible solutions to a problem then identify pros and cons and then pick the solution that optimizes for the most important goal. There is rarely a "right" solution.
      - JonChesterfield 5y ago
        There is rarely a right solution but there are always wrong ones. Searching for pareto optimal contours is great but implies the existence of pareto pessimal contours where N poor solutions combine to make something maximally rubbish. Software dev is not in a design space where all things are broadly equivalent with small pros and cons to choose between. It's more a discontinuous surface with orders of magnitude of cost/benefit changes as one meanders over a given cliff.
        tragictrash 5y ago
        This cliff being performance, stability and my sanity.
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  Tell me you don’t use WSL without telling me you don’t use WSL. I use WSL everyday and it’s no different than using native Linux. What’s so terrible? It’s easy to setup and easy to add to windows terminal.
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    File system performance sucks. No fuse support. No direct hardware access. I've experienced stability issues with it. Don't get me started on the networking or custom init put in by Microsoft. Systemctl calls don't work. It is most definitely not just like regular Linux. I actually used it pretty extensively for years before I figured out it was causing more friction than it was worth. It's convenient, I'll give you that, but again, it's objectively worse than the other tools available. You should try them.
    - Osiris 5y ago
      What's the big deal if he likes it? It works for him. It's fine.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        Just because someone likes and uses something doesn't mean there aren't better alternatives that they could benefit from using and learning about.
- 8note 5y ago
  X servers suck though. Vscode renders sharply without having to do extra work. Both wsls are reasonably enjoyable. Much better than ssh-ing to a Linux host
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    You realize your using an x server to do that, right? It's just one thats bundled in with windows, and you don't have to configure.
    - Osiris 5y ago
      I thought vs code ran natively as a Windows app and just used a remote connection to wsl to do file management and run cli commands ? I don't think vs code is running inside the wsl environment directly.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        There's a couple ways you can do this. The latest revision of WSL lets you run Linux gui apps that appear in a x server window, and you can pin them to the taskbar/start menu. That is definitely using a built in x server. Opening vscode in windows and opening the Linux vm's file through the "filesystem"(it's a network share) is unstable. You really have to open vscode in Linux, or run it in windows and ssh into the virtual machine for it to work well.
lnxg33k1 5y ago
Wsl 1/2 are quite painful, but the issue is also windows, you might get a wsl3 that is good and it would still be surrounded by windows, i would still tolerate windows but Microsoft isn't offering windows to you as a product that gets out of the way, doesn't touch defaults, doesn't show you ads on the desktop etc, it's using a software to push on you other stuff, so nein So there are many companies and many projects and i don't work with any Microsoft technology, for me it makes sense to just dodge any company that doesn't allow me any kind of Linux on daily driver, it's just that for me it makes sense, it's not a huge effort, it's not a huge sacrifice, it would be a sacrifice accepting a job with windows/mac when there are many more on linux
- epolanski 5y ago
  I have exactly the opposite idea. I hate Mac and WSL2 is perfect for development. I've never seen an ad in windows 10 as well.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    While one point of view is subjective, truth isn't, but I'll play the game and ask you if i and others news source are just having a collective visions https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+10+ads+start&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+10+ads+start&t=fpas&ia=web
    - 8note 5y ago
      Who uses the start menu? Click the windows key and start writing a search
      - lolinder 5y ago
        Unless they changed it since I dropped Windows, hitting the windows key opens the start menu.
    - Vendan 5y ago
      I also run windows 10 and have never seen a single ad, anywhere in it. Definitely worth noting that this is on a homebuilt computer, and I paid for a windows 10 pro license. Definitely seen ads on my wife's store-bought windows 10 home laptop.
mrtranscendence 5y ago
When I was on Windows I did try WSL, but I had problems with the corporate VPN/proxy. IIRC I essentially had no network connectivity from the WSL side. Edit: Thinking about it some more, I believe I was able to get WSL1 to work but not WSL2, unfortunately.

Tell me you don't use Linux without telling me you don't use linux Wsl is pretty terrible in my experience. your better off using a vm you manage yourself. Every vendor has shared folders. Each one can use a x server to display programs in your windows window manager.

ygjb 5y ago
Oh please. Tell me you are a Linux zealot without telling me you are a Linux zealot. Its a tool in the toolbox. I use Linux everyday on servers at work, two desktops at home, and servers for my partners businesses. My main personal notebook is a windows device w/WSL and my main work notebook is a MacOS device, because at the end of the day, I need my computer's to just work, painlessly. WSL is great for alot of Linux userspace stuff and is a fantastic CLI for interacting with and managing remote servers, alongside the ease of Windows. Of course it's not as performance, and had some edges, but I happily accept the trade-offs due to great driver support and the flexibility to run almost any software on one device.
- tragictrash 5y ago
  I think you misunderstood that remark intended to be humorous. Its too bad you took offense. Your right about it being a tool. A tool which has better alternatives. A virtual machine running in virtual box or some other vendor's VM has literally none of the limitations that wsl2 does. WSL 2 Doesn't fully support all userspace stuff, I bump into that all the time. You can ssh into other boxes using PowerShell. It is objectively bad compared to the alternatives.
  - Osiris 5y ago
    "better"? Every tool has pros and cons and tradeoffs. I run Linux, Windows, and MacOS. Each one has it's pros and cons. Each is the "better" tool depending on the need. The same goes for programming languages and engineering problems. I train my team to identify multiple possible solutions to a problem then identify pros and cons and then pick the solution that optimizes for the most important goal. There is rarely a "right" solution.
    - JonChesterfield 5y ago
      There is rarely a right solution but there are always wrong ones. Searching for pareto optimal contours is great but implies the existence of pareto pessimal contours where N poor solutions combine to make something maximally rubbish. Software dev is not in a design space where all things are broadly equivalent with small pros and cons to choose between. It's more a discontinuous surface with orders of magnitude of cost/benefit changes as one meanders over a given cliff.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        This cliff being performance, stability and my sanity.
jbluepolarbear 5y ago
Tell me you don’t use WSL without telling me you don’t use WSL. I use WSL everyday and it’s no different than using native Linux. What’s so terrible? It’s easy to setup and easy to add to windows terminal.
- tragictrash 5y ago
  File system performance sucks. No fuse support. No direct hardware access. I've experienced stability issues with it. Don't get me started on the networking or custom init put in by Microsoft. Systemctl calls don't work. It is most definitely not just like regular Linux. I actually used it pretty extensively for years before I figured out it was causing more friction than it was worth. It's convenient, I'll give you that, but again, it's objectively worse than the other tools available. You should try them.
  - Osiris 5y ago
    What's the big deal if he likes it? It works for him. It's fine.
    - tragictrash 5y ago
      Just because someone likes and uses something doesn't mean there aren't better alternatives that they could benefit from using and learning about.
8note 5y ago
X servers suck though. Vscode renders sharply without having to do extra work. Both wsls are reasonably enjoyable. Much better than ssh-ing to a Linux host
- tragictrash 5y ago
  You realize your using an x server to do that, right? It's just one thats bundled in with windows, and you don't have to configure.
  - Osiris 5y ago
    I thought vs code ran natively as a Windows app and just used a remote connection to wsl to do file management and run cli commands ? I don't think vs code is running inside the wsl environment directly.
    - tragictrash 5y ago
      There's a couple ways you can do this. The latest revision of WSL lets you run Linux gui apps that appear in a x server window, and you can pin them to the taskbar/start menu. That is definitely using a built in x server. Opening vscode in windows and opening the Linux vm's file through the "filesystem"(it's a network share) is unstable. You really have to open vscode in Linux, or run it in windows and ssh into the virtual machine for it to work well.

lnxg33k1 5y ago

Wsl 1/2 are quite painful, but the issue is also windows, you might get a wsl3 that is good and it would still be surrounded by windows, i would still tolerate windows but Microsoft isn't offering windows to you as a product that gets out of the way, doesn't touch defaults, doesn't show you ads on the desktop etc, it's using a software to push on you other stuff, so nein So there are many companies and many projects and i don't work with any Microsoft technology, for me it makes sense to just dodge any company that doesn't allow me any kind of Linux on daily driver, it's just that for me it makes sense, it's not a huge effort, it's not a huge sacrifice, it would be a sacrifice accepting a job with windows/mac when there are many more on linux

epolanski 5y ago
I have exactly the opposite idea. I hate Mac and WSL2 is perfect for development. I've never seen an ad in windows 10 as well.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  While one point of view is subjective, truth isn't, but I'll play the game and ask you if i and others news source are just having a collective visions https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+10+ads+start&t=fpas&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+10+ads+start&t=fpas&ia=web
  - 8note 5y ago
    Who uses the start menu? Click the windows key and start writing a search
    - lolinder 5y ago
      Unless they changed it since I dropped Windows, hitting the windows key opens the start menu.
  - Vendan 5y ago
    I also run windows 10 and have never seen a single ad, anywhere in it. Definitely worth noting that this is on a homebuilt computer, and I paid for a windows 10 pro license. Definitely seen ads on my wife's store-bought windows 10 home laptop.

mrtranscendence 5y ago

When I was on Windows I did try WSL, but I had problems with the corporate VPN/proxy. IIRC I essentially had no network connectivity from the WSL side. Edit: Thinking about it some more, I believe I was able to get WSL1 to work but not WSL2, unfortunately.