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This is exactly what I (selfishly) want Apple to do. I don’t want Facebook, Google, and co. to require sideloading in order to get around Apple’s privacy rules,

This is exactly what I (selfishly) want Apple to do. I don’t want Facebook, Google, and co. to require sideloading in order to get around Apple’s privacy rules, but I do want to be able to run emulators without paying $99/year.

babypuncher 5y ago
Yeah, it sounds like the best case scenario to me. It would let us hobbyists and tinkerers have our fun while still effectively forcing Google and Facebook to obey Apple's strict privacy rules.
- buggeryorkshire 5y ago
  I don't know why apple don't just allow third-party app stores but with requirements like the new app store needs to provide the push messaging, with the seriously large investment that would require? They could then warn users their battery life would be worse, cos 2 persistent connections, and make it scary. Meanwhile I, as an Android user would happily take up the offer.
  - onemoresoop 5y ago
    > I don't know why apple don't just allow third-party app stores I'll tell you why: money.
  - toast0 5y ago
    Push messaging isn't really that hard. Sure, one connection per device adds up, and you've got to manage the queue of messages, and authenticating devices, etc. The hidden challenge is tracking connection tracking timeouts in stateful firewalls and NAT gateways, so you can keep connections alive with the minimun of data exchanged. This is like if ISP A has a clean network, you only need to ping once an hour, but any packet sent will be recieved without delay; but ISP B needs a ping every 60 seconds or further packets will be dropped without notification. This isn't that hard either. Bandwidth of push messaging is nothing compared to app downloads, and probably more of the effort would be on attracting quality applications and vetting applications and maintaining business relationships. All that said, Google lets non-play apps use Google push, as long as the phone has play services, not sure why Apple would do it differently.
nuker 5y ago
> I don’t want Facebook, Google, and co. to require sideloading in order to get around Apple’s privacy rules, but I do want to be able to run emulators without paying $99/year. Cannot have it both ways. If it will be possible, FB will use it, and write a detailed sideload instructions.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Yeah I'm fine with apple doing this as long as they don't give in to the temptation to removing sandboxing and moving to ad revenue as primary revenue source (aka google). Soon as they do that I know the dream is over :)

babypuncher 5y ago

Yeah, it sounds like the best case scenario to me. It would let us hobbyists and tinkerers have our fun while still effectively forcing Google and Facebook to obey Apple's strict privacy rules.

buggeryorkshire 5y ago
I don't know why apple don't just allow third-party app stores but with requirements like the new app store needs to provide the push messaging, with the seriously large investment that would require? They could then warn users their battery life would be worse, cos 2 persistent connections, and make it scary. Meanwhile I, as an Android user would happily take up the offer.
- onemoresoop 5y ago
  > I don't know why apple don't just allow third-party app stores I'll tell you why: money.
- toast0 5y ago
  Push messaging isn't really that hard. Sure, one connection per device adds up, and you've got to manage the queue of messages, and authenticating devices, etc. The hidden challenge is tracking connection tracking timeouts in stateful firewalls and NAT gateways, so you can keep connections alive with the minimun of data exchanged. This is like if ISP A has a clean network, you only need to ping once an hour, but any packet sent will be recieved without delay; but ISP B needs a ping every 60 seconds or further packets will be dropped without notification. This isn't that hard either. Bandwidth of push messaging is nothing compared to app downloads, and probably more of the effort would be on attracting quality applications and vetting applications and maintaining business relationships. All that said, Google lets non-play apps use Google push, as long as the phone has play services, not sure why Apple would do it differently.

nuker 5y ago

> I don’t want Facebook, Google, and co. to require sideloading in order to get around Apple’s privacy rules, but I do want to be able to run emulators without paying $99/year. Cannot have it both ways. If it will be possible, FB will use it, and write a detailed sideload instructions.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

Yeah I'm fine with apple doing this as long as they don't give in to the temptation to removing sandboxing and moving to ad revenue as primary revenue source (aka google). Soon as they do that I know the dream is over :)