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And if you don't like railway cartel you're free to ride a horse?

by Dma54rhs 5y ago

tehwebguy 5y ago
I definitely prefer iPhone but I don't think it's quite fair to say train : horse :: iphone : android
- jay_kyburz 5y ago
  Its actually not that bad. A train is stuck on the tracks, only stops at stations. Owned by somebody else. A horse you can own yourself and go anywhere.
  - thetallstick 5y ago
    On the other hand: I don't have to care for the train, house it, or clean up after it. So maybe the analogy does work... :)
    - tehwebguy 5y ago
      Not to mention crossing the country in like a week instead of 2 months lmao
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        For the purposes of comparing a train to a horse in the above metaphor, you can swap in the horse for a personal automobile just as well. And maybe even swap the train for a bus while you're at it.
ericmay 5y ago
This is how the world works. I don't like the suburbs, yet people keep building them and I don't really have a choice to not live in them. If I go to the BMW dealership they won't sell my an off-road version of a BMW equivalent to a Jeep. If I go to Wal-Mart and I don't like their prices I can't make them go down, but I can take my business elsewhere. I see this highlighted all the time. When people agree with how something works then there's no comment. When it doesn't work how they want they believe they're being forced into a novel love-it-or-leave-it scenario, when the reality is they are in those scenarios all the time (daily/hourly even) and support them as well. Don't believe me? Ok I want less battery life on the iPhone and for it to be cheaper. Now what? You'll say "cost is important to you there are cheaper alternatives like X, Y, and Z". Same song. tl;dr yea just buy an Android phone if sideloading apps is the killer feature for you. If I want the best battery life or the best camera I can base my purchase decision off of those product features. Sideloading apps is no different. That's a fact. Jack.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  That assumes that side-loading is the only feature you care about. I care about a lot of other things besides that, and I decided I will be switching platforms because of that.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Ok great! I think this is exactly how things should work. Apple doesn't provide this "feature" in place of other features that it does provide (Apple Pay, sign-in with Apple, etc.). Similarly I could buy a phone that is GoogleFi enabled if that was important to me. I could buy a phone with the most megapixels, or that folds. Each of these devices makes trade-offs that I don't like, so I buy the product with the feature mix that I want the most. If side-loading is the only feature you care about, Android is for you. If it's one of many, you may have to make a trade off or pick between different mixes of features. This is just how the world works and always will work.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      Right now we have a duopoly of mobile platforms, and both of them are hostile to hackers and power users. If the only options are a bad option (Apple) and a somehow even worse option (the latter being Android), that is not a market showing signs of healthy competition. Let's not pretend that power users have a champion here. They don't, and they haven't had one for a long time.
      - ericmay 5y ago
        I don't think I care if hackers or power users have a champion mobile platform. Not all get to have a market specifically for them.
bee_rider 5y ago
Is this really a suitable analogy? Horses seem pretty vastly inferior to trains in many objective metrics, at least as far as long-range transport for average people goes. I've always used iOS, and while I like it, I can't imagine that Android is so mind-blowingly behind, right? Maybe horses to bicycles would be a better comparison? Which seems like less of a problem.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  I've had an android. My social interactions went way down because iPhone users refuse to download messaging apps and SMS is slow as molasses. Apple has locked me into iOS with a fucking messaging app.
  - tehwebguy 5y ago
    This is the only honest argument for this.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  Okay, then it's like arguing that a rail cartel is okay because people have cars, which are better in some ways, except for the ways they aren't - that is a mitigating factor, but doesn't make it okay.

And if you don't like railway cartel you're free to ride a horse?

tehwebguy 5y ago

I definitely prefer iPhone but I don't think it's quite fair to say train : horse :: iphone : android

jay_kyburz 5y ago
Its actually not that bad. A train is stuck on the tracks, only stops at stations. Owned by somebody else. A horse you can own yourself and go anywhere.
- thetallstick 5y ago
  On the other hand: I don't have to care for the train, house it, or clean up after it. So maybe the analogy does work... :)
  - tehwebguy 5y ago
    Not to mention crossing the country in like a week instead of 2 months lmao
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      For the purposes of comparing a train to a horse in the above metaphor, you can swap in the horse for a personal automobile just as well. And maybe even swap the train for a bus while you're at it.

ericmay 5y ago

This is how the world works. I don't like the suburbs, yet people keep building them and I don't really have a choice to not live in them. If I go to the BMW dealership they won't sell my an off-road version of a BMW equivalent to a Jeep. If I go to Wal-Mart and I don't like their prices I can't make them go down, but I can take my business elsewhere. I see this highlighted all the time. When people agree with how something works then there's no comment. When it doesn't work how they want they believe they're being forced into a novel love-it-or-leave-it scenario, when the reality is they are in those scenarios all the time (daily/hourly even) and support them as well. Don't believe me? Ok I want less battery life on the iPhone and for it to be cheaper. Now what? You'll say "cost is important to you there are cheaper alternatives like X, Y, and Z". Same song. tl;dr yea just buy an Android phone if sideloading apps is the killer feature for you. If I want the best battery life or the best camera I can base my purchase decision off of those product features. Sideloading apps is no different. That's a fact. Jack.

selfhoster11 5y ago
That assumes that side-loading is the only feature you care about. I care about a lot of other things besides that, and I decided I will be switching platforms because of that.
- ericmay 5y ago
  Ok great! I think this is exactly how things should work. Apple doesn't provide this "feature" in place of other features that it does provide (Apple Pay, sign-in with Apple, etc.). Similarly I could buy a phone that is GoogleFi enabled if that was important to me. I could buy a phone with the most megapixels, or that folds. Each of these devices makes trade-offs that I don't like, so I buy the product with the feature mix that I want the most. If side-loading is the only feature you care about, Android is for you. If it's one of many, you may have to make a trade off or pick between different mixes of features. This is just how the world works and always will work.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    Right now we have a duopoly of mobile platforms, and both of them are hostile to hackers and power users. If the only options are a bad option (Apple) and a somehow even worse option (the latter being Android), that is not a market showing signs of healthy competition. Let's not pretend that power users have a champion here. They don't, and they haven't had one for a long time.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      I don't think I care if hackers or power users have a champion mobile platform. Not all get to have a market specifically for them.

bee_rider 5y ago

Is this really a suitable analogy? Horses seem pretty vastly inferior to trains in many objective metrics, at least as far as long-range transport for average people goes. I've always used iOS, and while I like it, I can't imagine that Android is so mind-blowingly behind, right? Maybe horses to bicycles would be a better comparison? Which seems like less of a problem.

colinmhayes 5y ago
I've had an android. My social interactions went way down because iPhone users refuse to download messaging apps and SMS is slow as molasses. Apple has locked me into iOS with a fucking messaging app.
- tehwebguy 5y ago
  This is the only honest argument for this.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
Okay, then it's like arguing that a rail cartel is okay because people have cars, which are better in some ways, except for the ways they aren't - that is a mitigating factor, but doesn't make it okay.