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If you want to sideload then buy an Android... they are even cheaper. It's not like they pulled the rug out from under you: you already knew you couldn't sidelo

by iqanq 5y ago

If you want to sideload then buy an Android... they are even cheaper. It's not like they pulled the rug out from under you: you already knew you couldn't sideload when you bought the phone.

Dma54rhs 5y ago
And if you don't like railway cartel you're free to ride a horse?
- tehwebguy 5y ago
  I definitely prefer iPhone but I don't think it's quite fair to say train : horse :: iphone : android
  - jay_kyburz 5y ago
    Its actually not that bad. A train is stuck on the tracks, only stops at stations. Owned by somebody else. A horse you can own yourself and go anywhere.
    - thetallstick 5y ago
      On the other hand: I don't have to care for the train, house it, or clean up after it. So maybe the analogy does work... :)
      - tehwebguy 5y ago
        Not to mention crossing the country in like a week instead of 2 months lmao
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        For the purposes of comparing a train to a horse in the above metaphor, you can swap in the horse for a personal automobile just as well. And maybe even swap the train for a bus while you're at it.
- ericmay 5y ago
  This is how the world works. I don't like the suburbs, yet people keep building them and I don't really have a choice to not live in them. If I go to the BMW dealership they won't sell my an off-road version of a BMW equivalent to a Jeep. If I go to Wal-Mart and I don't like their prices I can't make them go down, but I can take my business elsewhere. I see this highlighted all the time. When people agree with how something works then there's no comment. When it doesn't work how they want they believe they're being forced into a novel love-it-or-leave-it scenario, when the reality is they are in those scenarios all the time (daily/hourly even) and support them as well. Don't believe me? Ok I want less battery life on the iPhone and for it to be cheaper. Now what? You'll say "cost is important to you there are cheaper alternatives like X, Y, and Z". Same song. tl;dr yea just buy an Android phone if sideloading apps is the killer feature for you. If I want the best battery life or the best camera I can base my purchase decision off of those product features. Sideloading apps is no different. That's a fact. Jack.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    That assumes that side-loading is the only feature you care about. I care about a lot of other things besides that, and I decided I will be switching platforms because of that.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      Ok great! I think this is exactly how things should work. Apple doesn't provide this "feature" in place of other features that it does provide (Apple Pay, sign-in with Apple, etc.). Similarly I could buy a phone that is GoogleFi enabled if that was important to me. I could buy a phone with the most megapixels, or that folds. Each of these devices makes trade-offs that I don't like, so I buy the product with the feature mix that I want the most. If side-loading is the only feature you care about, Android is for you. If it's one of many, you may have to make a trade off or pick between different mixes of features. This is just how the world works and always will work.
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
- bee_rider 5y ago
  Is this really a suitable analogy? Horses seem pretty vastly inferior to trains in many objective metrics, at least as far as long-range transport for average people goes. I've always used iOS, and while I like it, I can't imagine that Android is so mind-blowingly behind, right? Maybe horses to bicycles would be a better comparison? Which seems like less of a problem.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    I've had an android. My social interactions went way down because iPhone users refuse to download messaging apps and SMS is slow as molasses. Apple has locked me into iOS with a fucking messaging app.
    - tehwebguy 5y ago
      This is the only honest argument for this.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    Okay, then it's like arguing that a rail cartel is okay because people have cars, which are better in some ways, except for the ways they aren't - that is a mitigating factor, but doesn't make it okay.
ThatPlayer 5y ago
>It's not like they pulled the rug out from under you Situations and therefore opinions are allowed to change over time. I could argue they pulled the rug out from under me when they removed Fortnite from the store, or started blocking apps I want such as Stadia. It's not like it's advertised on the phone "Hey we'll remove any app from the store that we don't like".
selfhoster11 5y ago
My next phone will be an iPhone. I say this as a long-term Android user of over a decade. The Android platform has finally become too toxic and too user-hostile even for the likes of me. And that's quite a challenge. If I'm gonna be ruled by an authoritarian mobile OS that constantly tries to "engage" me, I might as well go for a nicer one that still cares about UX and being less buggy.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  > I might as well go for a nicer one that still cares about UX and being less buggy. iOS is straying further and further from that path with every release, though. It's not Android-level, but it's far from what it used to be.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    And that right there is the problem with duopolies. They start turning into each other, whether intentionally or not.
- zuminator 5y ago
  Not trying to start an OS war but I'm curious as to what changed recently in Android-land that made you reconsider?
  - Osiris 5y ago
    I'm curious about iPhones but not enough to actually switch. Android phones suck in two areas: performance and upgrades. The fastest Android SoC is as fast as the A12, a three year old chip. Android phones are lucky to get 1 major version upgrade in it's lifetime and that's usually 6-12s months after the latest version is released.
    - skydhash 5y ago
      Upgrade is one of the worst parts of Android. I had a Motorola that started with 5 and ended with 6. Custom ROMs got me up to 9 until it was stolen. It was not even a performance thing. If a few devs can hack a kernel, a company can do much more. I bought an iPhone 8 in 2019, and it is still working great today, running the latest OS.
EMIRELADERO 5y ago
This is less about consumers and more about developers. Many would want to reach iOS users with apps that are outright disallowed on the App Store, such as emulators, VM hypervisors or cloud gaming plattforms.
wudangmonk 5y ago
There is a bigger issue at play here that ties in these platform exclusive software stores with the right to repair movement. These companies have convinced the general public that buying their products only entitles you to have the priviledge of using their products. This is all done using the excuse that they are curators that want to give you the best possible experience. It has worked wonders too because now we debate not with these companies and their hired help but with others who have been screwed over just like us but are thankful for the experience.
MrStonedOne 5y ago

by iqanq 5y ago

If you want to sideload then buy an Android... they are even cheaper. It's not like they pulled the rug out from under you: you already knew you couldn't sideload when you bought the phone.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

And if you don't like railway cartel you're free to ride a horse?

tehwebguy 5y ago
I definitely prefer iPhone but I don't think it's quite fair to say train : horse :: iphone : android
- jay_kyburz 5y ago
  Its actually not that bad. A train is stuck on the tracks, only stops at stations. Owned by somebody else. A horse you can own yourself and go anywhere.
  - thetallstick 5y ago
    On the other hand: I don't have to care for the train, house it, or clean up after it. So maybe the analogy does work... :)
    - tehwebguy 5y ago
      Not to mention crossing the country in like a week instead of 2 months lmao
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        For the purposes of comparing a train to a horse in the above metaphor, you can swap in the horse for a personal automobile just as well. And maybe even swap the train for a bus while you're at it.
ericmay 5y ago
This is how the world works. I don't like the suburbs, yet people keep building them and I don't really have a choice to not live in them. If I go to the BMW dealership they won't sell my an off-road version of a BMW equivalent to a Jeep. If I go to Wal-Mart and I don't like their prices I can't make them go down, but I can take my business elsewhere. I see this highlighted all the time. When people agree with how something works then there's no comment. When it doesn't work how they want they believe they're being forced into a novel love-it-or-leave-it scenario, when the reality is they are in those scenarios all the time (daily/hourly even) and support them as well. Don't believe me? Ok I want less battery life on the iPhone and for it to be cheaper. Now what? You'll say "cost is important to you there are cheaper alternatives like X, Y, and Z". Same song. tl;dr yea just buy an Android phone if sideloading apps is the killer feature for you. If I want the best battery life or the best camera I can base my purchase decision off of those product features. Sideloading apps is no different. That's a fact. Jack.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  That assumes that side-loading is the only feature you care about. I care about a lot of other things besides that, and I decided I will be switching platforms because of that.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Ok great! I think this is exactly how things should work. Apple doesn't provide this "feature" in place of other features that it does provide (Apple Pay, sign-in with Apple, etc.). Similarly I could buy a phone that is GoogleFi enabled if that was important to me. I could buy a phone with the most megapixels, or that folds. Each of these devices makes trade-offs that I don't like, so I buy the product with the feature mix that I want the most. If side-loading is the only feature you care about, Android is for you. If it's one of many, you may have to make a trade off or pick between different mixes of features. This is just how the world works and always will work.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
bee_rider 5y ago
Is this really a suitable analogy? Horses seem pretty vastly inferior to trains in many objective metrics, at least as far as long-range transport for average people goes. I've always used iOS, and while I like it, I can't imagine that Android is so mind-blowingly behind, right? Maybe horses to bicycles would be a better comparison? Which seems like less of a problem.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  I've had an android. My social interactions went way down because iPhone users refuse to download messaging apps and SMS is slow as molasses. Apple has locked me into iOS with a fucking messaging app.
  - tehwebguy 5y ago
    This is the only honest argument for this.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  Okay, then it's like arguing that a rail cartel is okay because people have cars, which are better in some ways, except for the ways they aren't - that is a mitigating factor, but doesn't make it okay.

ThatPlayer 5y ago

>It's not like they pulled the rug out from under you Situations and therefore opinions are allowed to change over time. I could argue they pulled the rug out from under me when they removed Fortnite from the store, or started blocking apps I want such as Stadia. It's not like it's advertised on the phone "Hey we'll remove any app from the store that we don't like".

selfhoster11 5y ago

My next phone will be an iPhone. I say this as a long-term Android user of over a decade. The Android platform has finally become too toxic and too user-hostile even for the likes of me. And that's quite a challenge. If I'm gonna be ruled by an authoritarian mobile OS that constantly tries to "engage" me, I might as well go for a nicer one that still cares about UX and being less buggy.

jaywalk 5y ago
> I might as well go for a nicer one that still cares about UX and being less buggy. iOS is straying further and further from that path with every release, though. It's not Android-level, but it's far from what it used to be.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  And that right there is the problem with duopolies. They start turning into each other, whether intentionally or not.
zuminator 5y ago
Not trying to start an OS war but I'm curious as to what changed recently in Android-land that made you reconsider?
- Osiris 5y ago
  I'm curious about iPhones but not enough to actually switch. Android phones suck in two areas: performance and upgrades. The fastest Android SoC is as fast as the A12, a three year old chip. Android phones are lucky to get 1 major version upgrade in it's lifetime and that's usually 6-12s months after the latest version is released.
  - skydhash 5y ago
    Upgrade is one of the worst parts of Android. I had a Motorola that started with 5 and ended with 6. Custom ROMs got me up to 9 until it was stolen. It was not even a performance thing. If a few devs can hack a kernel, a company can do much more. I bought an iPhone 8 in 2019, and it is still working great today, running the latest OS.

EMIRELADERO 5y ago

This is less about consumers and more about developers. Many would want to reach iOS users with apps that are outright disallowed on the App Store, such as emulators, VM hypervisors or cloud gaming plattforms.

wudangmonk 5y ago

There is a bigger issue at play here that ties in these platform exclusive software stores with the right to repair movement. These companies have convinced the general public that buying their products only entitles you to have the priviledge of using their products. This is all done using the excuse that they are curators that want to give you the best possible experience. It has worked wonders too because now we debate not with these companies and their hired help but with others who have been screwed over just like us but are thankful for the experience.

MrStonedOne 5y ago