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Tesla Influencers Try to Present FSD as Safe While Almost Hitting a Cyclist

37 points by jocker12 5y ago

jamesliudotcc 5y ago
As compared to, what, human drivers? I am not convinced that Tesla is making good tradeoffs regarding saftey/driver convenience. But you will notice that the government can force Tesla to "recall" their software to make a full stop at stop signs. You can't do that to human drivers.
gumby 5y ago
I was able to understand this phenomenon a bit when I realized that a number of Tesla supporters are simply pro car. Thus pedestrians, cyclists etc are considered interlopers to the roads, and if the supporters weren't Tesla enthusiasts they'd be making similar comments when driving their dinosaur burner. It doesn't justify their comments, but at least made me understand a bit. (I'm the opposite and believe all roads except controlled-access freeways and rail roads are for humans first, and then cyclists -- cars are there on sufferance)
jwarden 5y ago
This article is meant to influence opinion with anecdotes, without actually providing data. I would like to see articles like this cite actual stats on Tesla FSD accidents vs. human-driver accidents.
- elkos 5y ago
  Well one has to correlate with several factors. A key value to that would be if Tesla shared anonymized, raw data from their FSD beta and human-drivers. Since this data isn't publicly available by Tesla people are going to report anecdotal data. Does Tesla know this? Of course they do. Is it easy to share that kind of data? It is not trivial, but not as complicated as FSD. Maybe it doesn't have a good ROI, I guess.
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  - v0idzer0 5y ago
    Elon has said multiple times, most recently at AI day, that the accident rate is 10x lower with FSD enabled
    - bcrl 5y ago
      Highway vs urban are not equivalent miles. Highways miles are easy and cannot be taken as proof that the cars are truly Full Self Driving capable in all environments.
    - elkos 5y ago
      Elon might be slightly biased, even unwillingly. Hard data would allow researchers to truly provide insights about FSD safety and road safety in general. Withholding hard data while citing them doesn't look good IMHO.
jstsch 5y ago
Purchased a pre-owned Model 3 last month. It's an amazing ride. So much better than any other car I've ever driven. Autopilot on the highway is very convenient, but even in those relatively situations it messes up every now and then. No way actual FSD is anywhere near.
- throwjs51009 5y ago
  Have you test-driven a Hyundai IONIQ 5 or Volkswagen ID.3/ID.4 or Ford Mustang Mach-E ?

37 points by jocker12 5y ago

As compared to, what, human drivers? I am not convinced that Tesla is making good tradeoffs regarding saftey/driver convenience. But you will notice that the government can force Tesla to "recall" their software to make a full stop at stop signs. You can't do that to human drivers.

gumby 5y ago

I was able to understand this phenomenon a bit when I realized that a number of Tesla supporters are simply pro car. Thus pedestrians, cyclists etc are considered interlopers to the roads, and if the supporters weren't Tesla enthusiasts they'd be making similar comments when driving their dinosaur burner. It doesn't justify their comments, but at least made me understand a bit. (I'm the opposite and believe all roads except controlled-access freeways and rail roads are for humans first, and then cyclists -- cars are there on sufferance)

jwarden 5y ago

This article is meant to influence opinion with anecdotes, without actually providing data. I would like to see articles like this cite actual stats on Tesla FSD accidents vs. human-driver accidents.

elkos 5y ago
Well one has to correlate with several factors. A key value to that would be if Tesla shared anonymized, raw data from their FSD beta and human-drivers. Since this data isn't publicly available by Tesla people are going to report anecdotal data. Does Tesla know this? Of course they do. Is it easy to share that kind of data? It is not trivial, but not as complicated as FSD. Maybe it doesn't have a good ROI, I guess.
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- v0idzer0 5y ago
  Elon has said multiple times, most recently at AI day, that the accident rate is 10x lower with FSD enabled
  - bcrl 5y ago
    Highway vs urban are not equivalent miles. Highways miles are easy and cannot be taken as proof that the cars are truly Full Self Driving capable in all environments.
  - elkos 5y ago
    Elon might be slightly biased, even unwillingly. Hard data would allow researchers to truly provide insights about FSD safety and road safety in general. Withholding hard data while citing them doesn't look good IMHO.

jstsch 5y ago

Purchased a pre-owned Model 3 last month. It's an amazing ride. So much better than any other car I've ever driven. Autopilot on the highway is very convenient, but even in those relatively situations it messes up every now and then. No way actual FSD is anywhere near.

throwjs51009 5y ago
Have you test-driven a Hyundai IONIQ 5 or Volkswagen ID.3/ID.4 or Ford Mustang Mach-E ?