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Language evolves via gradual changes in common usage, not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Anyone who says that this nonsense is

Language evolves via gradual changes in common usage, not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Anyone who says that this nonsense is an example of normal process of language evolution is a gaslighting liar.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Have you considered the possibility that being all worked up over the default name Github assigns to the first branch in a new repository puts you in "fringe minority" status?
- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  It's more than "being worked up" though isn't it? This is having real world consequences with zero tangible benefit to anyone.
- audessuscest 5y ago
  Unfortunately this github case is just one example among many others and it only seems to amplify toward complete insanity. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Again, have you actually taken a look at that article? > “Please, no, ADELE can’t be a TERF,” a “staunch feminist” performer named Jacob told his thousands of Twitter followers. > “Who’d have thought Adele was a transphobe and would use her platform to call for the destruction of the trans community. Especially the confused teenagers,” another long-time Twitter user posted. (They had to go with "long-time" for that second one because they've only got 375 followers.) "We searched up a handful of mean tweets" isn't journalism or indicative of anything except the fact you can always find some mean tweets about someone, and it's a little hard to say Adele is canceled in an article about her winning Artist of the Year...
    - audessuscest 5y ago
      just watch CNN, CNBC, etc, and tell me that canceling people is not a subject VERY frequently. Whoopi Goldberg is one of the last matter (not master), it's not about some source you don't like, don't be retarded (oops banned word)
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        Socrates got executed for his speech. "Cancel culture" has been with us since we invented social groups. Monkeys ostracise members of the group on a regular basis. Why do you think "so and so got in trouble for saying something offensive" is a new phenomenon?
        audessuscest 5y ago
        I'm very sorry if you can't see how this is getting out of proportion and more and more irrational, it just means you're lacking basic sense of observation and I recommend you to work on that. And regarding the word "master", do you think a black guy will get offended to get called a masterchief ? a chess master ? no way... It doesn't make any sense. There were hundreds of millions of white slave in history, and still white people don't seem to get concerned by that, because it's not used for "political" matter. I'm always surprise on HN to see the smartest people falling for the dumbest propaganda.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > it just means you're lacking basic sense of observation and I recommend you to work on that I will absolutely be willing to take that criticism from someone who hasn't fallen for the NY Post's "Adele is canceled because we found a tweet from someone with 375 followers". > And regarding the word "master", do you think a black guy will get offended to get called a masterchief ? If you call your mother "mother", will she be mad? How about "motherfucker"? Compound words change meaning.
        audessuscest 5y ago
sam_lowry_ 5y ago
> by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Welcome to France.
gaius_baltar 5y ago
> not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. They are not a cringe minority. I mean, they are cringe, but not part of any minority, except the self-created ones. Sorry for the wordplay. They a dozen people with no technical skill who tried (and succeeded) into getting some petty power, status, and time on the spotlights by crying "These <insert some extreme word here> FLOSS devs are oppressing me!!", just because FLOSS projects were an easy target (i.e. usually managed by people who are compromising, supportive and that don't like wasting time with non-technical conflict and focus on having a job done). And we gave up to them, hoping they just go away hunting another easy target (masterworks, MSc degrees, master/apprentices, that master chef TV show, and so), while we pay lip-service to dodge the mob before they come to destroy our projects/jobs/companies/etc. And, of course, no minority was positively affected by any of this. They are working just like everybody else, because behind a keyboard don't matter which $PERSONAL_CHARACTERISTIC people have, but what they deliver.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Have you considered the possibility that being all worked up over the default name Github assigns to the first branch in a new repository puts you in "fringe minority" status?

CodeGlitch 5y ago
It's more than "being worked up" though isn't it? This is having real world consequences with zero tangible benefit to anyone.
audessuscest 5y ago
Unfortunately this github case is just one example among many others and it only seems to amplify toward complete insanity. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Again, have you actually taken a look at that article? > “Please, no, ADELE can’t be a TERF,” a “staunch feminist” performer named Jacob told his thousands of Twitter followers. > “Who’d have thought Adele was a transphobe and would use her platform to call for the destruction of the trans community. Especially the confused teenagers,” another long-time Twitter user posted. (They had to go with "long-time" for that second one because they've only got 375 followers.) "We searched up a handful of mean tweets" isn't journalism or indicative of anything except the fact you can always find some mean tweets about someone, and it's a little hard to say Adele is canceled in an article about her winning Artist of the Year...
  - audessuscest 5y ago
    just watch CNN, CNBC, etc, and tell me that canceling people is not a subject VERY frequently. Whoopi Goldberg is one of the last matter (not master), it's not about some source you don't like, don't be retarded (oops banned word)
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Socrates got executed for his speech. "Cancel culture" has been with us since we invented social groups. Monkeys ostracise members of the group on a regular basis. Why do you think "so and so got in trouble for saying something offensive" is a new phenomenon?
      - audessuscest 5y ago
        I'm very sorry if you can't see how this is getting out of proportion and more and more irrational, it just means you're lacking basic sense of observation and I recommend you to work on that. And regarding the word "master", do you think a black guy will get offended to get called a masterchief ? a chess master ? no way... It doesn't make any sense. There were hundreds of millions of white slave in history, and still white people don't seem to get concerned by that, because it's not used for "political" matter. I'm always surprise on HN to see the smartest people falling for the dumbest propaganda.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > it just means you're lacking basic sense of observation and I recommend you to work on that I will absolutely be willing to take that criticism from someone who hasn't fallen for the NY Post's "Adele is canceled because we found a tweet from someone with 375 followers". > And regarding the word "master", do you think a black guy will get offended to get called a masterchief ? If you call your mother "mother", will she be mad? How about "motherfucker"? Compound words change meaning.
        audessuscest 5y ago

sam_lowry_ 5y ago

> by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Welcome to France.

gaius_baltar 5y ago

> not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. They are not a cringe minority. I mean, they are cringe, but not part of any minority, except the self-created ones. Sorry for the wordplay. They a dozen people with no technical skill who tried (and succeeded) into getting some petty power, status, and time on the spotlights by crying "These <insert some extreme word here> FLOSS devs are oppressing me!!", just because FLOSS projects were an easy target (i.e. usually managed by people who are compromising, supportive and that don't like wasting time with non-technical conflict and focus on having a job done). And we gave up to them, hoping they just go away hunting another easy target (masterworks, MSc degrees, master/apprentices, that master chef TV show, and so), while we pay lip-service to dodge the mob before they come to destroy our projects/jobs/companies/etc. And, of course, no minority was positively affected by any of this. They are working just like everybody else, because behind a keyboard don't matter which $PERSONAL_CHARACTERISTIC people have, but what they deliver.