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When I was learning how to interview better, I just applied to companies I ethically didn't agree with.
by ggoo 5y ago
When I was learning how to interview better, I just applied to companies I ethically didn't agree with.
- m00x 5y agoIronic since this is wasting interviewers' time, making your own ethics questionable.
- haliskerbas 5y agoSometimes you just have to play the game of capitalism.
- blairbeckwith 5y agoIf you view every minute an interviewer is doing actual work as harmful to the world, then wasting said interviewers time would be even more of an ethical good would it not?
- legostormtroopr 5y agoThis also assumes that the interviewee has the "right" ethics. From their perspective, yes wasting time in an interview is ethically good to them. But outsiders may agree with the interviewers ethics, and would see wasting their time as unethical.
- jonathankoren 5y agoI know this wasn’t your point, but I’d like to call out the common assumption that interviewing isn’t “actual work”. It is. Recruiting, interviewing, mentoring, all of that is just as important as shipping code.
- boardwaalk 5y agoI don’t think that was the assumption here. They were saying that interviewing someone who doesn’t want the job isn’t actual (useful) work in the sense it can’t produce the goal (a good hire).
- gumby 5y agoSo you could frame that commenter's activity as providing interviewing practice to the company's employees...for free!
- andrei_says_ 5y agoThis is a very interesting take on activism.
- ineedasername 5y agoDepends on your perspective. Making an unethical company less productive isn't necessarily unethical in itself.
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- crooked-v 5y agoThat only holds if you assume that "good" ethics must include being nice to everyone all the time.
- mhh__ 5y ago"Stern, if this factory ever produces a shell that can actually be fired, I'll be very unhappy."
- powersnail 5y agoThe interviewer uses work time to interview, so they still get paid for their time. It wastes the company's resources, but not the interviewer's.
- boardwaalk 5y ago… and I’m sure all the programmers on dead end projects out there feel great too!
- deedubaya 5y agoTrolley problem, applied
- alasdair_ 5y agoI have a friend who does this with companies that he finds morally repugnant, except he takes it a step further and gets free vacations out of it by having them fly him in for the onsite in New York and put him up in a nice hotel the day before and the day after. He usually walks out after a couple of hours and spends the day visiting tourist stuff.
- bduerst 5y agoIt sounds more like your friend has found a way to justify deceptively stealing/wasting time and resources by labeling people as morally repugnant. Yes, it's legal to do, but isn't it a shade hypocritical?
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
- jrm4 5y agoI can't meaningfully distinguish this from "Trying a free sample at Costco with no intent to buy the product." Aka, who cares?
- thfuran 5y ago>I can't meaningfully distinguish this from "Trying a free sample at Costco with no intent to buy the product." Are you serious? >Aka, who cares? Surely the company would rather not waste the money.
- boring_twenties 5y agoNot to Godwin the thread, but surely e.g. Nazi Germany would rather not have their factories bombed and their personnel shot at?
- jrm4 5y agoWhat in the entire fresh heck is this supposed to even mean?
- leeny 5y agoOP here. Yeah... throwaway interviews are a way to do it. The nice thing about interviewing.io is that you don't have to deal with all the recruiter stuff and scheduling and getting in their process in the first place. You just book practice whenever you want it. AND you actually get interview feedback (with specific actionable things you need to work on... way beyond just pass/fail).
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- muh_gradle 5y agoI found this to be inefficient use of my time personally. 30 minute interview to go over what's already written on the job description. A 30 minute to 60 minute interview with the manager or some higher up to see if you're the right cultural fit. Only after can you go through the on-site process.
- paxys 5y agoHeck I've done it with companies that are (probably) not doing anything wrong ethically, simply because it was their recruiters who hounded me in the first place. If you are that desperate for me to interview despite me telling you I'm not interested, don't then blame me for wasting your time by doing mock interviews with your engineers.
- mrtranscendence 5y agoI would do this, except even an interview for a position I didn't want would make me dreadfully nervous. There's something about paying for someone to help that reduces the anxiety. That said, I'm not an engineer so this particular service isn't for me.
- allisdust 5y agoAnecdotal but the secret to success from my personal experience is to: 1) Never stop looking around (okay, may be not when you have less than one year tenure in the current company) 2) Interview when you really can afford to fail the interview and still not care (for example when things are going well in your current company) 3) Treat it like a collaborative session than a actual interview. 4) Don't reject offers for petty reasons like not agreeing with a companies ethics/tools they use/what work they do. It's work and that is why they pay people to do it. So consider all these factors and ask for a higher package and if you really like to work on something else, aim for good work life balance and use that time to do what you want. 5) Shamelessly sell yourself. The 5 mins intro that you provide in each round in a lot of cases can decide how the rest of the round goes.