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Removing 'slave' from the vocabulary makes more sense than removing 'master', master is a term that predates its usage in slavery contexts. Asking (and explain

Removing 'slave' from the vocabulary makes more sense than removing 'master', master is a term that predates its usage in slavery contexts. Asking (and explaining the logic of main vs master) would be better UX than forcing a new paradigm into contexts where it's not welcome - all of my corpo repos use master; sneaking main into new repos is not helpful.

hartator 5y ago
Removing any words of the vocabulary is an aberration.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Entirely to the contrary, it's 100% normal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaism https://www.businessinsider.com/best-old-english-words-that-no-longer-exist-2017-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/best-old-english-words-that-... Language evolves, and has since it was invented.
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    Words falling out of use and words being taken out of use are two altogether different beasts. I suspect you might be commenting disingenuously, though.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      You're free to name a Github branch "master" if you want. Others are free to pick "main". Github's free to pick a default. People are free to infer what they like from your choice. Over time, we figure out which one we, as a society, prefer.
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      - audessuscest 5y ago
        give it a year or two before professional offended people think it's outrageous that there's still projects using master branch, then give it a week before github start giving notice to those projects. Did you see that some artist is close to be canceled for saying the most boring stuff? https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 What you may find harmless and maybe even meaningless change, is actually part of a total insanity that he's not going to stop anywhere.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > Did you see that some artist is close to be canceled for saying the most boring stuff? I see the NY Post is once again running a "here are some random tweets" article of the sort they've been running for years now to fill clickbait space.
        audessuscest 5y ago
        You can act like what I described doesn't exist but that won't change reality. Isn't one of the recent hot topic about banning someone for the word he used? There's a "scandal" like that every other day now...
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > There's a "scandal" like that every other day now... Yes. That's what tabloids have done for hundreds of years. The NY Post has convinced you Adele is being canceled over a couple of mean @mentions on Twitter from random people with minimal following. You've fallen for it, and might consider what else in the culture war you've gotten stirred up about that isn't as big of a deal as a breathless tabloid article would imply.
        audessuscest 5y ago
        "It was always like that, it's just tabloid amplifying" ok... https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1491695608121409538 https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1491695608121409538
      - ComputerGuru 5y ago
        This isn't about people having the option just happening to have an option to pick whatever name they want - this is in the context of a massive backlash against the specific use of a specific word, then people being given the option to make that choice under scrutiny or at least with extreme care and taking into account the risk of backlash should they "choose wrong."
      - dzhiurgis 5y ago
        I don't like being reminded about racism, murders, looting and shooting in some irrelevant american town every time my build fails because of this inflammatory change by github.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        Life is full of disappointments. Having to update a branch name on a couple dependencies a few times doesn't really rise that high on my list of them.
      - TeeMassive 5y ago
        > You're free to name a Github branch "master" if you want. The time me and many other spent finding a solution is not "free", and is not the first time that has happened or will happen. > Others are free to pick "main". Github's free to pick a default. People are free to infer what they like from your choice. Until Microsoft and other Big Tech companies decide that they will promote projects and developers who do.Of course they are "free" to do so, but that goes against your argument that people are "free to choose". > Over time, we figure out which one we, as a society, prefer. Where did "society" or the git user communities were asked and heard if that was a good idea? The decision came from the bottom up and the discussions that were had were restricted to a few posts (because "we already had that discussion before, flagged/deleted) or were incredibly censored and one-sided with accusations of racism directed at people who were using their real names and work addresses.
    - audessuscest 5y ago
      that's correct, removing word is usually done by despotic decision to control people's mind / speech
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  - gambler 5y ago
    Language evolves via gradual changes in common usage, not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Anyone who says that this nonsense is an example of normal process of language evolution is a gaslighting liar.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Have you considered the possibility that being all worked up over the default name Github assigns to the first branch in a new repository puts you in "fringe minority" status?
      - CodeGlitch 5y ago
        It's more than "being worked up" though isn't it? This is having real world consequences with zero tangible benefit to anyone.
      - audessuscest 5y ago
        Unfortunately this github case is just one example among many others and it only seems to amplify toward complete insanity. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        Again, have you actually taken a look at that article? > “Please, no, ADELE can’t be a TERF,” a “staunch feminist” performer named Jacob told his thousands of Twitter followers. > “Who’d have thought Adele was a transphobe and would use her platform to call for the destruction of the trans community. Especially the confused teenagers,” another long-time Twitter user posted. (They had to go with "long-time" for that second one because they've only got 375 followers.) "We searched up a handful of mean tweets" isn't journalism or indicative of anything except the fact you can always find some mean tweets about someone, and it's a little hard to say Adele is canceled in an article about her winning Artist of the Year...
        5y ago
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audessuscest 5y ago
it stills makes no sense. We should stop this 1984 nonsense
ffhhj 5y ago
Many famous masters in the ancient world were even servants or slaves.

hartator 5y ago

Removing any words of the vocabulary is an aberration.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Entirely to the contrary, it's 100% normal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaism https://www.businessinsider.com/best-old-english-words-that-no-longer-exist-2017-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/best-old-english-words-that-... Language evolves, and has since it was invented.
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  Words falling out of use and words being taken out of use are two altogether different beasts. I suspect you might be commenting disingenuously, though.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    You're free to name a Github branch "master" if you want. Others are free to pick "main". Github's free to pick a default. People are free to infer what they like from your choice. Over time, we figure out which one we, as a society, prefer.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - audessuscest 5y ago
      give it a year or two before professional offended people think it's outrageous that there's still projects using master branch, then give it a week before github start giving notice to those projects. Did you see that some artist is close to be canceled for saying the most boring stuff? https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 What you may find harmless and maybe even meaningless change, is actually part of a total insanity that he's not going to stop anywhere.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        > Did you see that some artist is close to be canceled for saying the most boring stuff? I see the NY Post is once again running a "here are some random tweets" article of the sort they've been running for years now to fill clickbait space.
        audessuscest 5y ago
        You can act like what I described doesn't exist but that won't change reality. Isn't one of the recent hot topic about banning someone for the word he used? There's a "scandal" like that every other day now...
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > There's a "scandal" like that every other day now... Yes. That's what tabloids have done for hundreds of years. The NY Post has convinced you Adele is being canceled over a couple of mean @mentions on Twitter from random people with minimal following. You've fallen for it, and might consider what else in the culture war you've gotten stirred up about that isn't as big of a deal as a breathless tabloid article would imply.
        audessuscest 5y ago
        "It was always like that, it's just tabloid amplifying" ok... https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1491695608121409538 https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1491695608121409538
    - ComputerGuru 5y ago
      This isn't about people having the option just happening to have an option to pick whatever name they want - this is in the context of a massive backlash against the specific use of a specific word, then people being given the option to make that choice under scrutiny or at least with extreme care and taking into account the risk of backlash should they "choose wrong."
    - dzhiurgis 5y ago
      I don't like being reminded about racism, murders, looting and shooting in some irrelevant american town every time my build fails because of this inflammatory change by github.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        Life is full of disappointments. Having to update a branch name on a couple dependencies a few times doesn't really rise that high on my list of them.
    - TeeMassive 5y ago
      > You're free to name a Github branch "master" if you want. The time me and many other spent finding a solution is not "free", and is not the first time that has happened or will happen. > Others are free to pick "main". Github's free to pick a default. People are free to infer what they like from your choice. Until Microsoft and other Big Tech companies decide that they will promote projects and developers who do.Of course they are "free" to do so, but that goes against your argument that people are "free to choose". > Over time, we figure out which one we, as a society, prefer. Where did "society" or the git user communities were asked and heard if that was a good idea? The decision came from the bottom up and the discussions that were had were restricted to a few posts (because "we already had that discussion before, flagged/deleted) or were incredibly censored and one-sided with accusations of racism directed at people who were using their real names and work addresses.
  - audessuscest 5y ago
    that's correct, removing word is usually done by despotic decision to control people's mind / speech
  - deleted 5y ago
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- gambler 5y ago
  Language evolves via gradual changes in common usage, not by decree from a fringe minority that captured some institution. Anyone who says that this nonsense is an example of normal process of language evolution is a gaslighting liar.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Have you considered the possibility that being all worked up over the default name Github assigns to the first branch in a new repository puts you in "fringe minority" status?
    - CodeGlitch 5y ago
      It's more than "being worked up" though isn't it? This is having real world consequences with zero tangible benefit to anyone.
    - audessuscest 5y ago
      Unfortunately this github case is just one example among many others and it only seems to amplify toward complete insanity. https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1491433294935867397
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        Again, have you actually taken a look at that article? > “Please, no, ADELE can’t be a TERF,” a “staunch feminist” performer named Jacob told his thousands of Twitter followers. > “Who’d have thought Adele was a transphobe and would use her platform to call for the destruction of the trans community. Especially the confused teenagers,” another long-time Twitter user posted. (They had to go with "long-time" for that second one because they've only got 375 followers.) "We searched up a handful of mean tweets" isn't journalism or indicative of anything except the fact you can always find some mean tweets about someone, and it's a little hard to say Adele is canceled in an article about her winning Artist of the Year...
        5y ago
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audessuscest 5y ago

it stills makes no sense. We should stop this 1984 nonsense

ffhhj 5y ago

Many famous masters in the ancient world were even servants or slaves.