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Tried that already, didn't work..

by Bombthecat 5y ago

duxup 5y ago
They banned tik tok ?
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  - duxup 5y ago
    I honestly can't parse that sentence, it seems pretty loaded to the point that it makes no sense to me.
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    > Trump it mobilized the 99% of people who don't have beliefs as much as they have I thought it was the judicial branch and an injunction that stopped it. >> On 23 September 2020, TikTok filed a request for a preliminary injunction to prevent the app from being banned by the Trump administration. This request was filed with the District Court for the District of Columbia. The preliminary injunction was approved by Judge Carl J. Nichols on September 27. Then, the current President rescinded it and ordered an actual review of the risks. Something we probably should have done prior to the attempted banning. >> In June 2021, President Joe Biden signed an executive order revoking the Trump administration ban on TikTok, and instead ordered the Secretary of Commerce to investigate the app to determine if it poses a threat to U.S. national security. I'm confused on exactly what you think happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_...
    - wutbrodo 5y ago
      Yes, I was being glib, thanks for calling it out. As the wiki article you shared lays out, there was a decent amount of nonpartisan momentum behind narrower limitations on Tiktok, along with serious consideration of it as a national security threat. Trump's threat of an outright ban immediately polarized the conversation and deflated much of that momentum, helped along by the fact his specific approach and messaging were typically incautious instead of incremental. The courts did indeed issue an injunction against Trump's EO, and I don't have any reason to believe they were wrong to do so. Biden, again typically, _has_ taken the first steps of an incremental approach towards assessing the risks that tiktok poses. But as implied by the Wikipedia page you linked, we're nowhere near the level of Congressional and institutional attention that we were at in 2019 and 2020, and it's pretty reasonable to attribute this to Trump's engagement with the issue reorienting the political valence of the conversation. Specifically, the "Trump vs tiktok" association is so strong that (eg) a Senator that makes too much noise about it will now be loaded with an association that he may not want. I actually don't have a strong opinion about tiktok's ban, see risks in both courses of action, and am a fan of the Biden admin's ostensible careful approach. I just resent the degree to which the idiocy of the public drives so many issues further away from thoughtful engagement with reality and towards partisan sportsball.
- twofornone 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_... Trump admin tried to restrict its use, at least among government/military, and perhaps predictably he was accused of racism/sinophobia...but the threat was just as real then as now.
  - duxup 5y ago
    That doesn't really seem like "tried that" to me.
    - dahfizz 5y ago
      There was literally an executive order which banned TikTok if the Chinese parent company did not sell the platform[1]. That's a pretty real "tried to ban tiktok". [1] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942
      - duxup 5y ago
        To me an executive order doomed to fail in the courts really isn't a real attempt.
        dymk 5y ago
        Pray tell what a real attempt looks like to you?
        duxup 5y ago
        Legislation, a department taking action within their legal powers. In the US it really does matter how you do things. Just the whim of the president is not enough for it to happen. Trump had no legal basis for his order. He liked to act like he was doing things with grand strokes, many of them were doomed to fail. I'm not convinced that he or those around him even cared if they did or not. I don't think you can read much into an amateur hour / foolish attempt.
- nsajko 5y ago
  Trump tried doing something like that in a predictably half-assed, illegal and obviously inappropriate manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_co...
  - duxup 5y ago
  - freebuju 5y ago
    This ban was presumably done under the same guises as the one done for Huawei. I don't see anyone shedding tears for Huawei.
- deleted 5y ago
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Tried that already, didn't work..

duxup 5y ago

They banned tik tok ?

wutbrodo 5y ago
- duxup 5y ago
  I honestly can't parse that sentence, it seems pretty loaded to the point that it makes no sense to me.
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  > Trump it mobilized the 99% of people who don't have beliefs as much as they have I thought it was the judicial branch and an injunction that stopped it. >> On 23 September 2020, TikTok filed a request for a preliminary injunction to prevent the app from being banned by the Trump administration. This request was filed with the District Court for the District of Columbia. The preliminary injunction was approved by Judge Carl J. Nichols on September 27. Then, the current President rescinded it and ordered an actual review of the risks. Something we probably should have done prior to the attempted banning. >> In June 2021, President Joe Biden signed an executive order revoking the Trump administration ban on TikTok, and instead ordered the Secretary of Commerce to investigate the app to determine if it poses a threat to U.S. national security. I'm confused on exactly what you think happened. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_...
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    Yes, I was being glib, thanks for calling it out. As the wiki article you shared lays out, there was a decent amount of nonpartisan momentum behind narrower limitations on Tiktok, along with serious consideration of it as a national security threat. Trump's threat of an outright ban immediately polarized the conversation and deflated much of that momentum, helped along by the fact his specific approach and messaging were typically incautious instead of incremental. The courts did indeed issue an injunction against Trump's EO, and I don't have any reason to believe they were wrong to do so. Biden, again typically, _has_ taken the first steps of an incremental approach towards assessing the risks that tiktok poses. But as implied by the Wikipedia page you linked, we're nowhere near the level of Congressional and institutional attention that we were at in 2019 and 2020, and it's pretty reasonable to attribute this to Trump's engagement with the issue reorienting the political valence of the conversation. Specifically, the "Trump vs tiktok" association is so strong that (eg) a Senator that makes too much noise about it will now be loaded with an association that he may not want. I actually don't have a strong opinion about tiktok's ban, see risks in both courses of action, and am a fan of the Biden admin's ostensible careful approach. I just resent the degree to which the idiocy of the public drives so many issues further away from thoughtful engagement with reality and towards partisan sportsball.
twofornone 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_... Trump admin tried to restrict its use, at least among government/military, and perhaps predictably he was accused of racism/sinophobia...but the threat was just as real then as now.
- duxup 5y ago
  That doesn't really seem like "tried that" to me.
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    There was literally an executive order which banned TikTok if the Chinese parent company did not sell the platform[1]. That's a pretty real "tried to ban tiktok". [1] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942
    - duxup 5y ago
      To me an executive order doomed to fail in the courts really isn't a real attempt.
      - dymk 5y ago
        Pray tell what a real attempt looks like to you?
        duxup 5y ago
        Legislation, a department taking action within their legal powers. In the US it really does matter how you do things. Just the whim of the president is not enough for it to happen. Trump had no legal basis for his order. He liked to act like he was doing things with grand strokes, many of them were doomed to fail. I'm not convinced that he or those around him even cared if they did or not. I don't think you can read much into an amateur hour / foolish attempt.
nsajko 5y ago
Trump tried doing something like that in a predictably half-assed, illegal and obviously inappropriate manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_co...
- duxup 5y ago
- freebuju 5y ago
  This ban was presumably done under the same guises as the one done for Huawei. I don't see anyone shedding tears for Huawei.
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