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> Google's been caught red handed deliberately manipulating political content Sorry, do you have a better link handy? This primarily looks like a fundraising p

> Google's been caught red handed deliberately manipulating political content Sorry, do you have a better link handy? This primarily looks like a fundraising page.

maxehmookau 5y ago
A really strange fundraising page too that claims to be non-partisan but quotes three different far-right hacks.
- cloutchaser 5y ago
  I'm really curious, can you name someone who you think is just "right"? Like who isn't "far-right" in your opinion?
  - maxehmookau 5y ago
    I'm from the UK, so it's a relative concept. The US, except for some fairly small pockets of actual socialist left-wing thinking, is much further to the right. A lot of western europe loved Obama, but in reality he was closer to the UK Conservative party than the UK Labour party. But I'm even more curious, would you not describe Tucker Carlson as far right in his views?
    - Dma54rhs 5y ago
      On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. You're comparing economical standpoint here and I agree with that.
      - ericmay 5y ago
        At great risk here, I have to say I agree based on my own experience. Often times people conflate government-funded systems like healthcare or taxpayer-funded university as being socially progressive. I wouldn't do that. You can have universal healthcare and ban gay marriage in your country, for example.
      - conjectures 5y ago
        > On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. Dubious.
      - rtsil 5y ago
        Certainly not Western Europe.
        Dma54rhs 5y ago
        I mean it's simply not true, ask any non-European person who has lived on both continents where he feels more welcome. On what social issues are excatly Euros more left wing compared to Americans?
        rtsil 5y ago
        Universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, workers' rights, LGBTQ rights, prison policy, police behavior and control, social safety net, lack of religion in politics, free or extremely cheap education including higher education, and that's just off the top if my mind? > ask any non-European person who has lived on both continents where he feels more welcome. I gladly concede this, but this is just one element of social issues.
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        Dma54rhs 5y ago
        LGBT rights are definetly better off in America and then you listed a lot of economical issues that have very little to do with left or right in Europe. Matter of a fact in Eastern Europe the left wing economical policies are what is keeping socially Conservative people in power.
        rtsil 5y ago
        I really don't see how these are economical issues: > Universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, workers' rights, LGBTQ rights, prison policy, police behavior and control, social safety net, lack of religion in politics, free or extremely cheap education including higher education > Matter of a fact in Eastern Europe... Thats why my first answer was: Certainly not Western Europe. My knowledge of Easter Europe is nonexistent, so I won't dare say anything about their circumstances.
    - boringg 5y ago
      Tucker Carlson is unhinged from reality and espouses wild conspiracies which falls squarely in the far right.
      - spinny 5y ago
        > wild conspiracies which ones ?? russiagate hrc lies ??
  - AlexandrB 5y ago
    I would generally call most of the "never Trump" conservatives "right but not far-right". I.e. people like Rick Wilson and Mitt Romney.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Spellman 5y ago
    David Frum Liz Cheney Mitt Romney David French Reason media (Libertarian) Andrew Sullivan These all tend to fall under the more 80s/90s Neoconservative or Liberalism banner instead of the more aggressive New Right
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  That's a coverage artifact - if Google is manipulating politics in favor of democrats, then the only coverage you'll find is going to be on the center to the right wing platforms. American media in all its glory.
robbedpeter 5y ago
- nsajko 5y ago
  Podcasts are entertainment, they're a wildly inappropriate medium for rational argumentation or giving evidence or anything similar. Put another way, you can't expect me to spend my time listening to a podcast just to be able to guess at what your argument is.
- lelandfe 5y ago
  On that Wikipedia page, the two Robert Epstein sources (one a PNAS paper[1], the other a Politico article[2]) are theoretical ("whether they could be manipulated") and pre-2016. The other main source[3] is similarly theoretical and provides policy recommendations to combat SEME. It also has a Washington Post article[4] discussing a (since-deleted) video that purportedly showed potentially-manipulated differences between how Bing and Google autocompleted "Hillary Clinton" searches. But none of the 3 main sources cover what the impact of autocomplete could be. Do you have any links about Google being caught red-handed politicizing ranking order? [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547273/ [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-2016-election-121548/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-c... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.9.2019.0370#metadata_info_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.9.2019.0370#m... [4] https://archive.is/fHzW8 https://archive.is/fHzW8. Is Politifact trustworthy? They investigated this and found "Google’s suggested searches, for the most part, avoid offensive suggestions for everyone, not just Clinton." That isn't a total debunk, of course. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/23/andrew-napolitano/did-google-adjust-its-autocomplete-algorithm-hide-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/23/andrew-nap...
  - robbedpeter 5y ago
    >>The 2020 presidential election monitoring project successfully recruited a diverse group of 732 registered voters in three battleground states: Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina. It preserved more than 500,000 ephemeral experiences on Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, and Facebook. These are the fleeting experiences that Big Tech companies use to influence votes and opinions worldwide and that are normally lost forever. >>A preliminary analysis of the data shows that Google search results (but NOT search results on Bing or Yahoo) had a significant liberal bias – enough to have shifted at least 6 million votes in the months leading up to the election. You need to know the methodology being used to understand the results, as they tracked ephemeral experiences using surveillance software with volunteers. This guy needs a website team in the biggest way. It's hard to find the information and it's scattershot. It's very frustrating because the work he's doing is solid. Don't let the shitty web presence deter you. The Rogan podcast was awkward af but he does provide a lot of substantive content if you're open to listening. https://www.aibrt.org/index.php/internet-studies https://www.aibrt.org/index.php/internet-studies is probably the most coherent site, but there's no salient tldr breakdown, to learn more you'll need to watch the videos. https://youtu.be/-7qT_38iRSc https://youtu.be/-7qT_38iRSc is the most comprehensive video, but I'll need to spend more time later to gather better links.

> Google's been caught red handed deliberately manipulating political content Sorry, do you have a better link handy? This primarily looks like a fundraising page.

maxehmookau 5y ago

A really strange fundraising page too that claims to be non-partisan but quotes three different far-right hacks.

cloutchaser 5y ago
I'm really curious, can you name someone who you think is just "right"? Like who isn't "far-right" in your opinion?
- maxehmookau 5y ago
  I'm from the UK, so it's a relative concept. The US, except for some fairly small pockets of actual socialist left-wing thinking, is much further to the right. A lot of western europe loved Obama, but in reality he was closer to the UK Conservative party than the UK Labour party. But I'm even more curious, would you not describe Tucker Carlson as far right in his views?
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. You're comparing economical standpoint here and I agree with that.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      At great risk here, I have to say I agree based on my own experience. Often times people conflate government-funded systems like healthcare or taxpayer-funded university as being socially progressive. I wouldn't do that. You can have universal healthcare and ban gay marriage in your country, for example.
    - conjectures 5y ago
      > On social issues average European and its country is way more conservative than average American. Dubious.
    - rtsil 5y ago
      Certainly not Western Europe.
      - Dma54rhs 5y ago
        I mean it's simply not true, ask any non-European person who has lived on both continents where he feels more welcome. On what social issues are excatly Euros more left wing compared to Americans?
        rtsil 5y ago
        Universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, workers' rights, LGBTQ rights, prison policy, police behavior and control, social safety net, lack of religion in politics, free or extremely cheap education including higher education, and that's just off the top if my mind? > ask any non-European person who has lived on both continents where he feels more welcome. I gladly concede this, but this is just one element of social issues.
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
        Dma54rhs 5y ago
        LGBT rights are definetly better off in America and then you listed a lot of economical issues that have very little to do with left or right in Europe. Matter of a fact in Eastern Europe the left wing economical policies are what is keeping socially Conservative people in power.
        rtsil 5y ago
        I really don't see how these are economical issues: > Universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, workers' rights, LGBTQ rights, prison policy, police behavior and control, social safety net, lack of religion in politics, free or extremely cheap education including higher education > Matter of a fact in Eastern Europe... Thats why my first answer was: Certainly not Western Europe. My knowledge of Easter Europe is nonexistent, so I won't dare say anything about their circumstances.
  - boringg 5y ago
    Tucker Carlson is unhinged from reality and espouses wild conspiracies which falls squarely in the far right.
    - spinny 5y ago
      > wild conspiracies which ones ?? russiagate hrc lies ??
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  I would generally call most of the "never Trump" conservatives "right but not far-right". I.e. people like Rick Wilson and Mitt Romney.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- Spellman 5y ago
  David Frum Liz Cheney Mitt Romney David French Reason media (Libertarian) Andrew Sullivan These all tend to fall under the more 80s/90s Neoconservative or Liberalism banner instead of the more aggressive New Right
robbedpeter 5y ago
That's a coverage artifact - if Google is manipulating politics in favor of democrats, then the only coverage you'll find is going to be on the center to the right wing platforms. American media in all its glory.

robbedpeter 5y ago

nsajko 5y ago
Podcasts are entertainment, they're a wildly inappropriate medium for rational argumentation or giving evidence or anything similar. Put another way, you can't expect me to spend my time listening to a podcast just to be able to guess at what your argument is.
lelandfe 5y ago
On that Wikipedia page, the two Robert Epstein sources (one a PNAS paper[1], the other a Politico article[2]) are theoretical ("whether they could be manipulated") and pre-2016. The other main source[3] is similarly theoretical and provides policy recommendations to combat SEME. It also has a Washington Post article[4] discussing a (since-deleted) video that purportedly showed potentially-manipulated differences between how Bing and Google autocompleted "Hillary Clinton" searches. But none of the 3 main sources cover what the impact of autocomplete could be. Do you have any links about Google being caught red-handed politicizing ranking order? [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4547273/ [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-2016-election-121548/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-c... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.9.2019.0370#metadata_info_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.9.2019.0370#m... [4] https://archive.is/fHzW8 https://archive.is/fHzW8. Is Politifact trustworthy? They investigated this and found "Google’s suggested searches, for the most part, avoid offensive suggestions for everyone, not just Clinton." That isn't a total debunk, of course. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/23/andrew-napolitano/did-google-adjust-its-autocomplete-algorithm-hide-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/23/andrew-nap...
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  >>The 2020 presidential election monitoring project successfully recruited a diverse group of 732 registered voters in three battleground states: Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina. It preserved more than 500,000 ephemeral experiences on Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, and Facebook. These are the fleeting experiences that Big Tech companies use to influence votes and opinions worldwide and that are normally lost forever. >>A preliminary analysis of the data shows that Google search results (but NOT search results on Bing or Yahoo) had a significant liberal bias – enough to have shifted at least 6 million votes in the months leading up to the election. You need to know the methodology being used to understand the results, as they tracked ephemeral experiences using surveillance software with volunteers. This guy needs a website team in the biggest way. It's hard to find the information and it's scattershot. It's very frustrating because the work he's doing is solid. Don't let the shitty web presence deter you. The Rogan podcast was awkward af but he does provide a lot of substantive content if you're open to listening. https://www.aibrt.org/index.php/internet-studies https://www.aibrt.org/index.php/internet-studies is probably the most coherent site, but there's no salient tldr breakdown, to learn more you'll need to watch the videos. https://youtu.be/-7qT_38iRSc https://youtu.be/-7qT_38iRSc is the most comprehensive video, but I'll need to spend more time later to gather better links.