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Infographic is outdated and borderline propaganda. The war with China has started. SMIC is shut to outsiders. Hong Kong fell to China. Taiwan is expected to fa

Infographic is outdated and borderline propaganda. The war with China has started. SMIC is shut to outsiders. Hong Kong fell to China. Taiwan is expected to fall next. So what's going down? Everyone getting into the chip game because they must. Europe’s Chip Act, Infineon is building chips in Germany Chips for USA Act hasn't quite passed yet. Biden issued an executive order that is unchallenged by anyone. US sanctioned SMIC. Samsung will be building a fab in Taylor Texas near to Austin. Intel will be building 2 fabs in Arizona(RISCV!) Samsung obviously also building much more in Korea. TSMC is building a fab in Japan with Sony. Everyone hoping the fabs in taiwan don't fall. Really good chance those fabs will be destroyed if China moves on them. India is blowing up big time with fabs. The number of secret fabs is surprising as well. Tons of them popping up in the midwest, primarily sourcing for the automotive industry. Makes sense to keep them quiet because it seems there's lots of fabs catching fire or being hacked and shutdown. Oh the nature of war...

capableweb 5y ago
> Infographic is outdated and borderline propaganda. > Taiwan is expected to fall next. You'll do everyone a favor by not exaggerating that much. You make it seem like there is consensus around the expectation that Taiwan will "fall next" while there is no such thing. You're also making claims about fabs being set on fire or being hacked by foreign entities without any sort of evidence.
- sleepingadmin 5y ago
  >You'll do everyone a favor by not exaggerating that much What exaggeration? https://thediplomat.com/2021/10/taiwan-says-it-is-preparing-for-war-but-are-taiwanese-mentally-ready/ https://thediplomat.com/2021/10/taiwan-says-it-is-preparing-... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-warns-of-next-step-if-china-invaded-taiwan-20211126-p59ckg.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-warns-of-next... https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/10/14/2003766069 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/10... https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-three-reasons-taiwan-keeps-talking-up-the-threat-of-war-with-china-20220131-p59skk.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-three-reasons-taiwan-k... https://asiatimes.com/2021/09/us-and-australia-signed-a-nuclear-arms-deal-simple-as-that/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/09/us-and-australia-signed-a-nucl... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/is-australia-ready-for-war-the-army-s-battle-for-relevance-20211229-p59knl.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/is-australia-ready-f... https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/01/24/china-sends-39-warplanes-toward-taiwan-largest-in-new-year/ https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/01/24/china-s... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3164139/taiwan-war-risk-highest-past-25-years-us-tensions-rise https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3164139/ta... https://warblog.org/news/us-approves-support-deal-with-taiwan-for-patriot-missiles/ https://warblog.org/news/us-approves-support-deal-with-taiwa... https://seapowermagazine.org/rep-gallagher-navy-must-be-ready-to-counter-china-if-taiwan-is-attacked/ https://seapowermagazine.org/rep-gallagher-navy-must-be-read... If you believe this to be exaggeration... this is happening right now. Out of curiousity, which country are you in? How do you not know about this? 10 links provided and can be easily added to. >You make it seem like there is consensus around the expectation that Taiwan will "fall next" while there is no such thing. Is your claim that Taiwan won't be next and it's someone else who is next? Taiwan is second? Or is your do you believe all these governments are spreading propaganda? >You're also making claims about fabs being set on fire or being hacked by foreign entities without any sort of evidence. I suspect you're not asking for me to prove APT groups are chinese? https://web.archive.org/web/20211127025205/https://www.akm.com/us/en/about-us/news/information/20210122-information/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211127025205/https://www.akm.c... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-chips-idUSKBN2BN27E https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-chips-idUSKBN2BN27E Multiple fires hitting non-chinese chip fabs? Just a coincidence... nothing to do with the ongoing war...
  - capableweb 5y ago
    > If you believe this to be exaggeration... this is happening right now. Out of curiousity, which country are you in? How do you not know about this? 10 links provided and can be easily added to. Yes, the media is crying wolf and also saying it won't happen, similar situation as around Ukraine/Russia, and similar to any other type of conflict in the world. Media organizations thrive on stirring the pot, and will always have scary headlines, especially when there is even a hint of anything approaching a conflict. I'm currently in Europe but live in different places in the world during the year, what about you? > Is your claim that Taiwan won't be next and it's someone else who is next? Taiwan is second? I believe that things are uncertain right now, and claiming that you know or that everyone "expects" something to happen to be an exaggeration. Linking a bunch of online newspapers with names like "warblog", "militarytimes" or articles about how Australia now has a deal with the US about nuclear arms, doesn't exactly improve your case. Most newspapers just wants views like everyone else, and they'll write news that makes you click on the headline. It takes careful consideration and weighing different sides of a story to see what's going on. > Or is your do you believe all these governments are spreading propaganda? Yes, every government on the planet does this. Some are more obvious, some are less. Some do it for betterment, some do it for personal gain. But what's clear in every single government on Earth, is that they participate in propaganda. > I suspect you're not asking for me to prove APT groups are chinese? I'm asking you to provide evidence for these two claims: > Taiwan is expected to fall next. > lots of fabs catching fire or being hacked and shutdown You're saying fabs are being put on fire and/or being hacked by foreign entities, while still not providing any evidence for that happening in practice, essentially spreading conspiracy theories. The statement from akm says "there is no clear prospect for identification of the cause of the fire or for restoration of operation of the plant" and the Reuters article makes no claims regarding the cause of the fire. > Multiple fires hitting non-chinese chip fabs? Just a coincidence... nothing to do with the ongoing war... It could be related, it could not. Without any sort of evidence-based approach, you have about 0% chance at arriving at the correct conclusion. And while you don't have a clue what's going on, it's better not to spread theories that are not based on facts but instead boils down to "So you think this is just a coincidence huh?!".
    - 5y ago

capableweb 5y ago

> Infographic is outdated and borderline propaganda. > Taiwan is expected to fall next. You'll do everyone a favor by not exaggerating that much. You make it seem like there is consensus around the expectation that Taiwan will "fall next" while there is no such thing. You're also making claims about fabs being set on fire or being hacked by foreign entities without any sort of evidence.

sleepingadmin 5y ago
>You'll do everyone a favor by not exaggerating that much What exaggeration? https://thediplomat.com/2021/10/taiwan-says-it-is-preparing-for-war-but-are-taiwanese-mentally-ready/ https://thediplomat.com/2021/10/taiwan-says-it-is-preparing-... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-warns-of-next-step-if-china-invaded-taiwan-20211126-p59ckg.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-warns-of-next... https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/10/14/2003766069 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/10... https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-three-reasons-taiwan-keeps-talking-up-the-threat-of-war-with-china-20220131-p59skk.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-three-reasons-taiwan-k... https://asiatimes.com/2021/09/us-and-australia-signed-a-nuclear-arms-deal-simple-as-that/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/09/us-and-australia-signed-a-nucl... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/is-australia-ready-for-war-the-army-s-battle-for-relevance-20211229-p59knl.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/is-australia-ready-f... https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/01/24/china-sends-39-warplanes-toward-taiwan-largest-in-new-year/ https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/01/24/china-s... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3164139/taiwan-war-risk-highest-past-25-years-us-tensions-rise https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3164139/ta... https://warblog.org/news/us-approves-support-deal-with-taiwan-for-patriot-missiles/ https://warblog.org/news/us-approves-support-deal-with-taiwa... https://seapowermagazine.org/rep-gallagher-navy-must-be-ready-to-counter-china-if-taiwan-is-attacked/ https://seapowermagazine.org/rep-gallagher-navy-must-be-read... If you believe this to be exaggeration... this is happening right now. Out of curiousity, which country are you in? How do you not know about this? 10 links provided and can be easily added to. >You make it seem like there is consensus around the expectation that Taiwan will "fall next" while there is no such thing. Is your claim that Taiwan won't be next and it's someone else who is next? Taiwan is second? Or is your do you believe all these governments are spreading propaganda? >You're also making claims about fabs being set on fire or being hacked by foreign entities without any sort of evidence. I suspect you're not asking for me to prove APT groups are chinese? https://web.archive.org/web/20211127025205/https://www.akm.com/us/en/about-us/news/information/20210122-information/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211127025205/https://www.akm.c... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-chips-idUSKBN2BN27E https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-chips-idUSKBN2BN27E Multiple fires hitting non-chinese chip fabs? Just a coincidence... nothing to do with the ongoing war...
- capableweb 5y ago
  > If you believe this to be exaggeration... this is happening right now. Out of curiousity, which country are you in? How do you not know about this? 10 links provided and can be easily added to. Yes, the media is crying wolf and also saying it won't happen, similar situation as around Ukraine/Russia, and similar to any other type of conflict in the world. Media organizations thrive on stirring the pot, and will always have scary headlines, especially when there is even a hint of anything approaching a conflict. I'm currently in Europe but live in different places in the world during the year, what about you? > Is your claim that Taiwan won't be next and it's someone else who is next? Taiwan is second? I believe that things are uncertain right now, and claiming that you know or that everyone "expects" something to happen to be an exaggeration. Linking a bunch of online newspapers with names like "warblog", "militarytimes" or articles about how Australia now has a deal with the US about nuclear arms, doesn't exactly improve your case. Most newspapers just wants views like everyone else, and they'll write news that makes you click on the headline. It takes careful consideration and weighing different sides of a story to see what's going on. > Or is your do you believe all these governments are spreading propaganda? Yes, every government on the planet does this. Some are more obvious, some are less. Some do it for betterment, some do it for personal gain. But what's clear in every single government on Earth, is that they participate in propaganda. > I suspect you're not asking for me to prove APT groups are chinese? I'm asking you to provide evidence for these two claims: > Taiwan is expected to fall next. > lots of fabs catching fire or being hacked and shutdown You're saying fabs are being put on fire and/or being hacked by foreign entities, while still not providing any evidence for that happening in practice, essentially spreading conspiracy theories. The statement from akm says "there is no clear prospect for identification of the cause of the fire or for restoration of operation of the plant" and the Reuters article makes no claims regarding the cause of the fire. > Multiple fires hitting non-chinese chip fabs? Just a coincidence... nothing to do with the ongoing war... It could be related, it could not. Without any sort of evidence-based approach, you have about 0% chance at arriving at the correct conclusion. And while you don't have a clue what's going on, it's better not to spread theories that are not based on facts but instead boils down to "So you think this is just a coincidence huh?!".
  - 5y ago