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We (now) know but most people don't, when somebody says it'll "produce X amount of power than you put in" any normal human being would think "it's done" but the

We (now) know but most people don't, when somebody says it'll "produce X amount of power than you put in" any normal human being would think "it's done" but then they'll wonder for next X decades why there are no power plants yet? Because nobody told them that you need more power than it produces at the end and positive net was just for final reaction and without heat to electricity conversion.

willis936 5y ago
You should watch the hour long press release and see just how clearly they explain what has been done.
- ninkendo 5y ago
  What's nice is that even for Q_plasma this only gets 0.33. So it's a net loss no matter how you measure it.
  - willis936 5y ago
    I'm confused. What do you think the goal of the campaign was?
    - warkdarrior 5y ago
      Clearly the end goal is to beat the First Law of Thermodynamics and its pesky "conservation of energy." We already know how to print money, now it's time to print energy! /s
    - ninkendo 5y ago
      It's tough to say because the campaign is a signpost on the way to an eventual end goal. But the end goal is easy to describe: "a working fusion power plant." The end goal is so far away at this point, not a single player in this space is even trying to do it, even on their farthest-out roadmaps...
      - willis936 5y ago
        No, the campaign's goals were to push higher plasma energy out of a JET pulse. This required upgrades to many subsystems and to dust off everything necessary for nuclear operations. They did this in support of ITER, but there are also likely other political motivations. There has been no nuclear MCF operation on Earth in decades and now the UK has invested in resuming theirs rather than mothballing it. You can't make claims about the motivations of the campaign (such as it being a signpost?) if you don't know what was even done. And again, you shouldn't talk about the roadmaps if you haven't looked at them. Look at PPPL FIRE and power plant studies.

willis936 5y ago

You should watch the hour long press release and see just how clearly they explain what has been done.

ninkendo 5y ago
What's nice is that even for Q_plasma this only gets 0.33. So it's a net loss no matter how you measure it.
- willis936 5y ago
  I'm confused. What do you think the goal of the campaign was?
  - warkdarrior 5y ago
    Clearly the end goal is to beat the First Law of Thermodynamics and its pesky "conservation of energy." We already know how to print money, now it's time to print energy! /s
  - ninkendo 5y ago
    It's tough to say because the campaign is a signpost on the way to an eventual end goal. But the end goal is easy to describe: "a working fusion power plant." The end goal is so far away at this point, not a single player in this space is even trying to do it, even on their farthest-out roadmaps...
    - willis936 5y ago
      No, the campaign's goals were to push higher plasma energy out of a JET pulse. This required upgrades to many subsystems and to dust off everything necessary for nuclear operations. They did this in support of ITER, but there are also likely other political motivations. There has been no nuclear MCF operation on Earth in decades and now the UK has invested in resuming theirs rather than mothballing it. You can't make claims about the motivations of the campaign (such as it being a signpost?) if you don't know what was even done. And again, you shouldn't talk about the roadmaps if you haven't looked at them. Look at PPPL FIRE and power plant studies.