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Hopefully, those same customers will know better when coming to buy their next car after that, therefore reducing desire for touchscreen controls and hopefully,

Hopefully, those same customers will know better when coming to buy their next car after that, therefore reducing desire for touchscreen controls and hopefully, their extensive usage

the_snooze 5y ago
I doubt that'll happen. It'll probably take the same trajectory as (smart) TVs: these crappy designs become the industry norm and it becomes very difficult to find alternatives.
- Loughla 5y ago
  This is the answer. I would prefer to buy physical switches and dials, but the options just aren't there. So I'm stuck with laggy, buggy, bad software and a stupid touchscreen full of features that I will never use. Seriously, who needs to be able to play movies in their car's center front console?
  - the_snooze 5y ago
    At least as of two years ago, Honda pushed back against touchscreens dominating the center console: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32797/long-live-buttons-hondas-not-sold-on-touchscreens https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32797/long-live-buttons-hondas... But looking at the 2022 HR-V, it seems like they've given up on that design philosophy: >The automatic climate control system offers a high-tech touch-screen interface... https://automobiles.honda.com/hr-v#interior https://automobiles.honda.com/hr-v#interior I'm of the opinion that the only touchscreen that belongs in a car is a barebones non-networked Apple CarPlay / Android Auto pass-through for sound and navigation. All other controls are physical.
  - Schroedingersat 5y ago
    Also, why can't we just have a fucking shelf or a bracket. Ever since radios stopped being a standard rectangle, and the dashboard was filled with kevlar sacks and explosives there's nowhere to put anything down.
    - JohnBooty 5y ago
      As of 5-6 years ago some (many? most?) cars still had a good old standard double-DIN slot for the infotainment unit, if you popped off the dashboard's plastic cover. No clue if that's still true; I think it has become less true over time for sure. There are benefits to automakers for retaining that standard form factor. Most factory-branded infotainment systems are made by a handful of OEM manufacturers like Bose. Bose makes systems for multiple automakers. So the double-DIN form factor has persisted, it's just hidden. Problem is, for most cars, the climate controls and shit are all bundled into that infotainment system. So you can slot a standard double-DIN stereo into most modern cars, but you need a replacement dashboard panel and fairly elaborate kit to replace the OEM climate controls and whatever else. Metra is a company that makes those kits, I think they were pretty much the only game in town last I looked into this. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-57MGZyBW0Mm/fg_112200_FFBrand%7CMetra/Metra-Dash-Kits.html https://www.crutchfield.com/S-57MGZyBW0Mm/fg_112200_FFBrand%...
- dfxm12 5y ago
  On a somewhat related note, Mazda has said a few years ago that they will be staying away from touchscreens. I'm not sure if they've followed through. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-purging-touchscreens-from-its-vehicles https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...
- brokenmachine 5y ago
  Can't wait until we get in-car ads!

Hopefully, those same customers will know better when coming to buy their next car after that, therefore reducing desire for touchscreen controls and hopefully, their extensive usage

the_snooze 5y ago

I doubt that'll happen. It'll probably take the same trajectory as (smart) TVs: these crappy designs become the industry norm and it becomes very difficult to find alternatives.

Loughla 5y ago
This is the answer. I would prefer to buy physical switches and dials, but the options just aren't there. So I'm stuck with laggy, buggy, bad software and a stupid touchscreen full of features that I will never use. Seriously, who needs to be able to play movies in their car's center front console?
- the_snooze 5y ago
  At least as of two years ago, Honda pushed back against touchscreens dominating the center console: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32797/long-live-buttons-hondas-not-sold-on-touchscreens https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32797/long-live-buttons-hondas... But looking at the 2022 HR-V, it seems like they've given up on that design philosophy: >The automatic climate control system offers a high-tech touch-screen interface... https://automobiles.honda.com/hr-v#interior https://automobiles.honda.com/hr-v#interior I'm of the opinion that the only touchscreen that belongs in a car is a barebones non-networked Apple CarPlay / Android Auto pass-through for sound and navigation. All other controls are physical.
- Schroedingersat 5y ago
  Also, why can't we just have a fucking shelf or a bracket. Ever since radios stopped being a standard rectangle, and the dashboard was filled with kevlar sacks and explosives there's nowhere to put anything down.
  - JohnBooty 5y ago
    As of 5-6 years ago some (many? most?) cars still had a good old standard double-DIN slot for the infotainment unit, if you popped off the dashboard's plastic cover. No clue if that's still true; I think it has become less true over time for sure. There are benefits to automakers for retaining that standard form factor. Most factory-branded infotainment systems are made by a handful of OEM manufacturers like Bose. Bose makes systems for multiple automakers. So the double-DIN form factor has persisted, it's just hidden. Problem is, for most cars, the climate controls and shit are all bundled into that infotainment system. So you can slot a standard double-DIN stereo into most modern cars, but you need a replacement dashboard panel and fairly elaborate kit to replace the OEM climate controls and whatever else. Metra is a company that makes those kits, I think they were pretty much the only game in town last I looked into this. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-57MGZyBW0Mm/fg_112200_FFBrand%7CMetra/Metra-Dash-Kits.html https://www.crutchfield.com/S-57MGZyBW0Mm/fg_112200_FFBrand%...
dfxm12 5y ago
On a somewhat related note, Mazda has said a few years ago that they will be staying away from touchscreens. I'm not sure if they've followed through. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-purging-touchscreens-from-its-vehicles https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...
brokenmachine 5y ago
Can't wait until we get in-car ads!