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Any chance of un-paywalled versions, for us poor souls still believing in freedom of information...?
by toyg 5y ago
Any chance of un-paywalled versions, for us poor souls still believing in freedom of information...?
- rei_ayanami 5y agoInstall browser extension: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome , there is extension for firefox, chrome and edge in that link.
- toyg 5y agoThank you, that works.
- throwjs51009 5y agouBlock Origin works for nytimes paywall. It's more trustworthy.
- toyg 5y agoI had that already, but in this case it didn't work for whatever reason.
- xibalba 5y agoDid you mean “free labor”? This “free information” you speak of requires the labor of humans in many forms to publish.
- toyg 5y agoMedia channels get paid even when they are free: in goodwill, reputation, visibility, etc etc - all that stuff they are so keen to bestow on their workers in the lower organizational rings. Regardless, the guilt trip you're so keen to induce would maybe trigger if I could pay these folks by article, rather than with feudalistic subscriptions that are notoriously hard to cancel. As it is, my conscience is unblemished.
- rat9988 5y agoArtists are paid by exposition I guess! I'm not sure why using the archive for stealing has become the norm here.
- toyg 5y agoStealing is the wrong word, but then we've had this conversation for 30 years so clearly you know what you're doing. If you must, "freeloading" would probably be a better term. > Artists are paid by exposition I guess! If it allowed them to pick political candidates and set the nation's agenda, yeah, I guess they would be.
- rat9988 5y ago> so clearly you know what you're doing ?? > freeloading No I chose stealing for a reason. Freeloading is not the right term. I'm not a native english speaker, freeloading seems to mean "to impose upon another's generosity or hospitality without sharing in the cost or responsibility involved". It's not the right word to convey my idea.
- toyg 5y agoIt's definitely closer than "stealing", which implies the deprivation of a resource - something that clearly isn't the case in the digital realm. > "to impose upon another's generosity or hospitality without sharing in the cost or responsibility involved" This is precisely what another user here accused me of, so I would say it fits very well.
- xibalba 5y ago> if I could pay these folks by article Ah! This is good logic. Next time I'm at a restaurant, after service and food have been rendered, I will say, "You won't let me pay in the amount and manner in which I want, so I'm not going to pay at all!" Thanks for the tip! > all that stuff they are so keen to bestow on their workers in the lower organizational rings So two wrongs make a right? Come on. These are ethics that are intuitively grasped by grade school children. > Media channels get paid even when they are free: in goodwill, reputation, visibility Oh good. So when it comes time to pay their server bill, office rent, employee payroll, etc. etc. they will just forward goodwill, reputation, and visibility on. What is the current conversion between reputation and USD these days? The basic and inexorable truth is this: journalism isn't free. Never has been, never will be. Especially good journalism. Childish, self serving rationalizations on why its not only OK but "good" to never pay for it are exactly what's got us in the current mess we're in (worse and worse clickbait, the slow merging of editorial and hard news, the rapid merging of monetization and 'news', etc. etc.) > my conscience is unblemished Might be worth a deeper examination. Seriously. What would it do to the incomes in your field if people were able to just take your work product without paying? How would you feel if those takers said to you, "my conscience is unblemished because <reason>"?
- Bancakes 5y agoDid you just call article writing labor?
- xibalba 5y agoYes. It is human work, aka labor. [1] What would you call it? [1] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/labor https://www.dictionary.com/browse/labor
- Bancakes 5y agoA paid hobby, or a side gig. Labor has the context of strain and effort, and I don't want to pay money for bla-bla entertainment.
- xibalba 5y agoWhat do you do for a living? Whatever it is, I will say to you: that's a paid hobby or a side gig. Then I will take the product of your efforts without paying for it. See how that works? Perhaps it would be worth thinking through the consequences of your attitudes if they were applied back to you?
- Bancakes 5y agoRight only I program tangible chips which serve a purpose, and you cannot just take them. Or maybe you fork the open source repos? You're welcome? Like I said, I'm not paying for bla bla entertainment. Whether that means I read a free news site instead, or I circumvent your paywall, it's the same to you because I'm not paying. That's the same reason piracy doesn't cost publishers anything, most people weren't in commerce in the first place.
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- drooby 5y agoWe have that. It’s called a public library. Many have subscriptions to paywalled content.
- toyg 5y agoNot a bad suggestion (particularly now that libraries are increasingly digital-oriented), but I doubt I'd find a library in my corner of Northern England that subscribes to the New York Times.
- rejectfinite 5y agohttps://archive.fo/rD6EB https://archive.fo/rD6EB https://web.archive.org/web/20220209122625/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/well/family/gender-men-touch.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220209122625/https://www.nytim... I got these through the browser extension https://github.com/dessant/web-archives https://github.com/dessant/web-archives or just going to the sites and searching. HN is actually how I found out about archive.is/fo/today
- toyg 5y agoThere used to be a "web" link under paywalled sites in HN, pointing to archive.org, but it seems to have gone away.
- cafard 5y agoLike the guy that used to take my wife's NY Times off the steps when he got the chance?