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I'm with you brother. If you start to question the morality of who pays your salary, you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would all

I'm with you brother. If you start to question the morality of who pays your salary, you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would allow yourself to work for. I can think of renewable energies, and not much else. In truth, I already work for an evil company. All companies I worked for in my long career were morally bankrupt one way or another. I never had any trouble sleeping at night. If it's not illegal it's fine.

cormacrelf 5y ago
> you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would allow yourself to work for. That’s literally the idea. People doing bad things should find hiring minions difficult.
- jlcoff 5y ago
  "bad things" is a subjective concept. A former roommate was building a website in the mid 2000 for a dildo company. You probably don't care, but a religious zealot might consider it "bad". We're gonna make a deal, I'll let you work in ad-tech, and you let me build tool which allow people to shoot themselves in the foot.
  - cormacrelf 5y ago
    I work in academia. I will never work in ad-tech either.
    - jlcoff 5y ago
      Academia is even more of a scam than tech...
  - deanCommie 5y ago
    Taking a fully relativist perspective on morality is just an excuse to justify taking no ethical stance on anything at all. It's certainly your choice to exist in society this way, but you can't be surprised if people correctly criticize it as selfish, self-serving, and morally bankrupt. At least embrace it.
- lowkey 5y ago
  But how far are you as an individual willing to go? - Apple uses exploitative labor practices to manufacture iPhones [0] - Google is increasingly being recognized as a surveillance and manipulation platform. They have even been caught manipulating elections [1] [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-technology-apple-uighur/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-te... [1] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/epstein-testimony https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/epstein-testimony
  - jlcoff 5y ago
    Big tech get a free pass because, in the western world at least, they offer their regular sacrifice to the dogmatic left God.
jlcoff 5y ago
> If it's not illegal it's fine. A lot of today unicorns started illegally. Uber, Spotify, Airbnb. Yet, nobody comment about those because their goal was supposedly "noble". That's the problem with the variable geometry morality of the left. "If it's moral from our point of view, but illegal, the laws are the problem. If what's you're doing is immoral from our point of view, but legal, then you should be ashamed of yourself and repent (or die)." In other words, it's nothing but dogma and proselytism.

cormacrelf 5y ago

> you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would allow yourself to work for. That’s literally the idea. People doing bad things should find hiring minions difficult.

jlcoff 5y ago
"bad things" is a subjective concept. A former roommate was building a website in the mid 2000 for a dildo company. You probably don't care, but a religious zealot might consider it "bad". We're gonna make a deal, I'll let you work in ad-tech, and you let me build tool which allow people to shoot themselves in the foot.
- cormacrelf 5y ago
  I work in academia. I will never work in ad-tech either.
  - jlcoff 5y ago
    Academia is even more of a scam than tech...
- deanCommie 5y ago
  Taking a fully relativist perspective on morality is just an excuse to justify taking no ethical stance on anything at all. It's certainly your choice to exist in society this way, but you can't be surprised if people correctly criticize it as selfish, self-serving, and morally bankrupt. At least embrace it.
lowkey 5y ago
But how far are you as an individual willing to go? - Apple uses exploitative labor practices to manufacture iPhones [0] - Google is increasingly being recognized as a surveillance and manipulation platform. They have even been caught manipulating elections [1] [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-technology-apple-uighur/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/29/lens-te... [1] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/epstein-testimony https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/epstein-testimony
- jlcoff 5y ago
  Big tech get a free pass because, in the western world at least, they offer their regular sacrifice to the dogmatic left God.

jlcoff 5y ago

> If it's not illegal it's fine. A lot of today unicorns started illegally. Uber, Spotify, Airbnb. Yet, nobody comment about those because their goal was supposedly "noble". That's the problem with the variable geometry morality of the left. "If it's moral from our point of view, but illegal, the laws are the problem. If what's you're doing is immoral from our point of view, but legal, then you should be ashamed of yourself and repent (or die)." In other words, it's nothing but dogma and proselytism.