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> Russian gov is mad at him citation needed

grishka 5y ago
Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.
- twelve40 5y ago
  It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
  - grishka 5y ago
    > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.
szszrk 5y ago
Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824
- twelve40 5y ago
  great, so a story from 4 years ago? the ban was removed in 2020, although they could have easily choked Telegram at the appstore level. Yet, it's officially alive and well.
  - szszrk 5y ago
    Appstore you say.. well, there are many other distribution methods then appstore. I for instance use the direct download built into telegram. A bonus that I can enter chats that my government thinks is not appropriate, like ones that leaked their official communication they did on random public email services. Also I'm sorry I dissapointed you with sources. Yes, it's sarcasm. How would one provide any meaningfull sources to what you are afraid of? Is it even possible?

Telegram was blocked in Russia for around 2 years for refusing to cooperate with FSB. That block wasn't effective despite breaking half the internet at times and many people didn't even notice it, so eventually the government just gave up and unblocked it to save itself from being laughed at.

twelve40 5y ago
It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google), just like the free-speech-loving Germany is proposing right now (1), and the Russian government chose not to do that. The "telegram blocked" story is 2 years old, currently 52% of Russian Internet users rely on Telegram every day (2) All charges against Durov personally were dropped, and he is (admittedly) rumored to visit Spb now and then, but there is no official beef with him or any of his services currently. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany-should-ban-telegram-unless-it-tackles-extremist-content-2021-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/politician-says-germany... 2. https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-auditoriya-telegram https://www.vedomosti.ru/media/articles/2021/09/28/888523-au...
- grishka 5y ago
  > It is actually trivially cut off at the app store level (both apple and google) Yes, this is why Pavel blocked the Navalny bot (providing a very nonsensical explanation for it). Apple's app store is why we can't have nice things. Google Play doesn't matter nearly as much because Android allows sideloading and Telegram already makes use of that. This page https://telegram.org/android https://telegram.org/android has a prominent apk download button and an "if you want a Google Play version instead we have that too, you weirdo" link at the bottom.

szszrk 5y ago

Check out "telegram russian block" or "ban" in a search engine, from 2018. I don't want to give any particular resources as you will know better what is better source for you - that was a huge event and most news sources wrote on that, including HN. Russian gov forced a block on so many IP classes that a lot of goverment services stopped working, not to mention whole public clouds. Let me just cherry-pick this hilarious tweet [0]. [0] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/986138335319117824

twelve40 5y ago
great, so a story from 4 years ago? the ban was removed in 2020, although they could have easily choked Telegram at the appstore level. Yet, it's officially alive and well.
- szszrk 5y ago
  Appstore you say.. well, there are many other distribution methods then appstore. I for instance use the direct download built into telegram. A bonus that I can enter chats that my government thinks is not appropriate, like ones that leaked their official communication they did on random public email services. Also I'm sorry I dissapointed you with sources. Yes, it's sarcasm. How would one provide any meaningfull sources to what you are afraid of? Is it even possible?