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Open Salary and Equity Database
- epicureanideal 5y agoGreat idea, but needs tech stack info also.
- drodgers 5y agoWhy does the tech stack matter?
- rsj_hn 5y agoif you believe that, say, C++ devs earn more than JS devs, it would matter. If you aren't sure and want to find out, it would also matter.
- bspear 5y agoDo specific tech stacks have more earning power though? Which ones?
- vineyardmike 5y agoLiterally the whole point of this thread is that it’s not known because (this) data doesn’t include it.
- wongarsu 5y agoThere are a lot of ways to look at it. I think [1] is one of the better attempts and would suggest that the spread is much bigger for average jobs than for the highest paying positions, and that e.g. Scala, Rust, Perl or Go will earn you more money than Dart, JavaScript, PHP or Java. Also apparently jobs with DynamoDB pay almost twice as good on average (median) as jobs with Firebase; and Postgres or MSSQL pays better than MySQL or Oracle. 1: https://stribny.name/blog/salaries-by-language/ https://stribny.name/blog/salaries-by-language/
- epicureanideal 5y agoHow else would someone know if the company has a stack that is compatible with their own skill set?
- democracy 5y ago... well, we would like to make sure you can deliver value ASAP, I fail to see why it can be any different?
- lbrito 5y agoHow does it not matter? Do you equally enjoy working with every technology? Would you not care if you had to use a different operating system than whatever you've been using, let alone languages?
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoThey could add a link to / integration with https://stackshare.io/ https://stackshare.io/
- EnKopVand 5y agoWhy do you think the tech stack matters? Is it because you want to compare yourself to other people working with X, or because you want to pursue the best paying technologies? I don’t think either should matter, you’re paid for a job function not the tools you use, but the latter is a trap on my opinion. I’m turning 40 this year and as such an approaching the sort of midway of my career and in my anecdotal experience you’re never paid for the tech stack. I’ve worked in startups, enterprise and startups growing into enterprises with lucrative employee stock options. I’ve worked with everything dotnet, Python, C++, RPA-tooling, Java, COBOL, SharePoint and SAP, JavaScript and now TypeScript. I’ve worked with every sort of operations setup from in-house to cloud and I very where in between. I’ve worked as a developer, then project/actual manager then enterprise architect and now developer again. The only things that I have done that had any real impact on my pay grade level was changing jobs and doing indirect negotiations. You need to deliver solutions, you need to show the business the impact of those solutions and you need to make sure your employers know that they aren’t the only company in town who knows about the business value you being to the table. I also encourage sharing your pay information with your peers. I’ve been fortunate enough to land some nice contracts, but because I’ve shared info with my peers I know of at least two people who went to the negotiation table where they managed to get the company to at least match my pay. But tech stack? As long as it’s a sellers market, I’d encourage you to get good with something that is in demand that you also happen to enjoy working with. For me that is currently TypeScript front ends with node/dotnet backends that run in azure functions.
- epicureanideal 5y agoI think the people replying to my comment misunderstand my intent. If they show the tech stack, people would be able to see if they could apply their same skills for much more money at a specific other company.
- engmgrmgr 5y agoProgramming language/etc. is typically not a huge factor for high paying jobs. If I’m giving you a lot of money, you’ll learn whatever you need to ASAP.
- tryitnow 5y agoWhat is BizOps? I noticed a lot of the non-technical roles here have that title. I've read wildly varying definitions ranging from Strategy to KPI management and data analytics, has the industry settled on a relatively consistent definition?
- beckingz 5y ago'BizOps' is usually a mix of internal consulting, operations, and data analysis. There is no standard definition and I think we should keep it that way. With the number of 'Ops' that people are trying to do soon companies will need 'OpsOps' to make sure they're operationalizing their operations.
- allisdust 5y agoWhere do i see the salary and equity. May be I'm missing something?
- bspear 5y agoWeird I think HN changed the URL. This is the right one: https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/ https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/
- allisdust 5y agothanks! this one works.
- wongarsu 5y agoHN did that because the page claims that's the right URL. The header of the page you linked contains <link rel="canonical" href="https://topstartups.io"> Which basically says "https://topstartups.io https://topstartups.io contains the same content and should be the preferred URL for this".
- krapp 5y agoThis has happened often enough that I'm surprised someone hasn't added a check for it. At the very least, you'd think there should be an interstitial page asking for confirmation if the posted url doesn't match the canonical url.
- ziggus 5y agoI thought that referring to your base URL in a canonical tag was a bad idea - why would they do this, since the content on each of the two pages is different?
- joshmanders 5y agoInteresting. Was this someone at HN updating based on that or does the submission system automatically use canonical over submitted url if present?
- msrsan 5y agoThe equity (%) without the actual cash value of the options is basically a vanity number - it does not mean much and is not comparable between the companies.
- twelve40 5y agoIf they ever did a 409a, they have to share that information with employees, which at least lets you estimate the current upper bound on the cash value of your options. Sure, very far from money in the bank, but knowing the current upper cash bound can still be used to compare different offers.
- msrsan 5y agoYup, that makes sense on an individual company basis but - that data is not in the sheet though.
- myrandomcomment 5y agoA 409a should be a true measure of the value of a company, but in reality it is something that can be manipulated. There is a balance between valuation for the purposes of funding and raising your stock value so high that it can impact hiring as a function of perceived upside. Getting wrong on the high side can effect the next round, devalue shares issued existing staff causing a repricing or the need to issue more shares to existing staff to keep them around.
- bspear 5y agoNo, if you're say, an Eng manager with a Series B offer, there is a standard equity % band
- engmgrmgr 5y agoNews to me. Company value, dilution, risk, revenue, profit, outlook, etc. have significant weight.
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- enigmatic02 5y agoStartups and VCs have long had really good data on what to pay people. Like that this is now being made public!
- raesene9 5y agointeresting idea, but with something like this it's important to keep it up to date and even browsing for a couple of minutes I noticed entries that are outdated either because the startup has been acquired, or raised a load more funds than are listed on the site.
- manuelabeledo 5y agoAren’t these numbers a bit on the lower side? I haven’t seen many engineering positions in Austin offering less than $120,000 in cash for a while now.
- tdhoot 5y agoThe main thing I'd want to know is whether companies pay to appear in the Top Startups list. I learned Breakoutlist does this a few years back and it destroyed their credibility for me.
- dewey 5y agoThere's an easy way to pay your way into that list: pay high salaries.
- b112 5y agoI suspect sarcasm, as paying some list for a higher ranking, is cheaper than paying loads of people for a higher ranking.
- bspear 5y agoReally? There's no indication breakoutlist does that on their site? Or they just don't disclose if companies paid
- dijit 5y agoThe "problem" (if it is a problem and not an intentional choice) is that these equity compensation comparison things are heavily skewed towards US companies. Often inferring the company to be $ or requiring you to add a "State" (which is a US thing primarily, often it's a pre-filled dropdown). Any chance of at least this one being a bit more wide reaching? I think levels.fyi is a much stronger implementation of the same concept if it's only US based.
- mont 5y agoIs there a reason to not trust levels.fyi data? Or is this more focused on startups?
- bspear 5y agoI haven't seen startup data on levels.fyi
- kirso 5y agoWhat is the source of initial data for startups?
- phailhaus 5y agoUI feedback: all the tags on the page need to be clickable, taking me to searches with that filter applied (e.g., "Crypto", "Logistics", "Y Combinator", etc).
- neogodless 5y agoI was very confused until I realized the link doesn't match the title at all. The title of this submission is linked to this url: https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/ https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/ (though the actual title there is "Startup Salary & Equity Database") Otherwise you do not get any salary/equity information. You get links to who works here (LinkedIn), reviews (GlassDoor), company web sites and jobs (Lever). The title of the linked submission is "Top Startups 2022 - Funded by Sequoia, A16Z, Y Combinator"
- cloverich 5y agoThey might have truncated it, there _is_ a salary page ([1]) that lists people's (self reported) salaries, equity, and series. [1]: https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/ https://topstartups.io/startup-salary-equity-database/
- bspear 5y agoDon't understand HN truncation rules, linked the right one originally Edit: someone pointed out below that the canonical link incorrectly pointed to the base URL
- Rafuino 5y agoI'd love to search by company name but that doesn't seem to be an option
- dhd415 5y agoI guess there's some value to a listing of salary/equity figures without the associated company, but it would be far more valuable if the company were included. One thing I really like about levels.fyi is that their comp data streamlines my job search process. E.g., get pinged by a recruiter from a company where comp is 75% of my current comp -- hard pass. Get pinged by a recruiter from a company where comp is 150%+ of my current comp -- perhaps we'll chat. Without that data, it's awfully time-consuming to go through the process only to find that the comp numbers are a non-starter.
- bspear 5y agoWhat about asking them for their comp bands upfront? So you don't waste your time if it's a non-starter
- whiddershins 5y agoI don't understand how we can ever know if ANY of these self-reported salary databases are accurate.
- aantix 5y agoWhy do I care about their funding besides the point of whether they can pay me? Recruiters do this all the time - "Hey, here's a great position with a unicorn that just solidified another 100m in funding. But here's your below market offer. "
- hw 5y agoOdd to see a bunch of 1-10 sized startups have director and vp of engineering roles. I’m assuming there is a CTO at those companies as well but I would have expected efficient team comp for that size to be one CTO 1 CEO 1 CPO one or two sales/marketing and rest engineers
- bspear 5y agoMy guess is that there isn't a CTO there, and the Director/VP is waiting in the wings for that title