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In my experience, at least on macOS, Teams is about the least bad piece of Microsoft programming that I’ve had to deal with. There are still some things that I

In my experience, at least on macOS, Teams is about the least bad piece of Microsoft programming that I’ve had to deal with. There are still some things that I think Teams does better than Slack, and some things that Teams does better than Zoom or any other video conferencing software I’ve used. Yes, I would prefer to lead a Microsoft-free life, both professionally and personally. But Teams is probably the last piece of Microsoft code I would complain about. I can’t speak for what it’s like on any other OS, however.

stevage 5y ago
That would be VS Code for me. Genuinely great software.
kcplate 5y ago
> In my experience, at least on macOS, Teams is about the least bad piece of Microsoft programming that I’ve had to deal with. I concur. I think it’s fine for small group and individual communication. My opinion…it’s way better than Skype and probably on par with Slack for direct communication. I think where it fails spectacularly is trying to integrate its file sharing to one drive. This seems to be half baked and some evil product manager’s weird notion to try and eliminate a logical hierarchical file system design that has served us pretty well for the last 60 years.
webmaven 5y ago
> But Teams is probably the last piece of Microsoft code I would complain about. Really? I mean, even if you're restricting yourself to user-facing software, vscode doesn't prompt any hatred, and quite a lot of users have always seemed to like Outlook. Teams doesn't appear to be in the same league.
- bradknowles 5y ago
  I’ve never used VSCode, or however that’s spelled. My preferred IDE is the original `vi`, but `vim` is usually okay.
- voakbasda 5y ago
  I have never used vscode, but I can tell you that I hate it purely because Microsoft produced it. They do not get a free pass after all of the flagrantly evil shit they did trying to stop the rise of Linux. None of their products can be trusted, because Microsoft cannot be trusted. Never forget, never forgive.
  - webmaven 5y ago
    > Never forget, never forgive. I'm highly sympathetic to that position, but it isn't useful in distinguishing between various Microsoft solutions, which was the topic of this subthread.
  - TheFrigginDoC 5y ago
    Xbox bought my forgiveness
miguel-muniz 5y ago
Teams has been an awful experience for me on MacOS: 1. There's plenty of times I open the app and just see a blank screen in the chat window, I have to click away or close the app to get it to work again 2. There was a weird issue where I would get access to their internal debugging menus 3. Sometimes I paste an image and the image disappears. I get an error that they "lost my image". I'm not even sure how that is possible 4. Sometimes a single message will completely fail to load. Just recently this even happened with a code snippet 5. Scrolling a conversation loads in messages too slowly, and if you scroll back all you see are placeholder messages. It makes trying to find something in an old conversation incredibly frustrating 6. I never found the search to produce useful results I would take Slack over Teams any day. The only Microsoft software I like is VSCode
- bradknowles 5y ago
  We use slack extensively. Unfortunately, slack is designed for the use case where you can easily plug in third party or first party slack apps to provide a massive array of functionality that is not natively built into slack. Guess what happens when you are functionally prevented from using virtually all third party or even first party slack apps, just because there is so many months and years of friction to get them through the approval process? And that’s assuming you can ever get them through the approval process? No, workflows are not sufficient. Not even within the same galaxy of sufficient.

stevage 5y ago

That would be VS Code for me. Genuinely great software.

kcplate 5y ago

> In my experience, at least on macOS, Teams is about the least bad piece of Microsoft programming that I’ve had to deal with. I concur. I think it’s fine for small group and individual communication. My opinion…it’s way better than Skype and probably on par with Slack for direct communication. I think where it fails spectacularly is trying to integrate its file sharing to one drive. This seems to be half baked and some evil product manager’s weird notion to try and eliminate a logical hierarchical file system design that has served us pretty well for the last 60 years.

webmaven 5y ago

> But Teams is probably the last piece of Microsoft code I would complain about. Really? I mean, even if you're restricting yourself to user-facing software, vscode doesn't prompt any hatred, and quite a lot of users have always seemed to like Outlook. Teams doesn't appear to be in the same league.

bradknowles 5y ago
I’ve never used VSCode, or however that’s spelled. My preferred IDE is the original `vi`, but `vim` is usually okay.
voakbasda 5y ago
I have never used vscode, but I can tell you that I hate it purely because Microsoft produced it. They do not get a free pass after all of the flagrantly evil shit they did trying to stop the rise of Linux. None of their products can be trusted, because Microsoft cannot be trusted. Never forget, never forgive.
- webmaven 5y ago
  > Never forget, never forgive. I'm highly sympathetic to that position, but it isn't useful in distinguishing between various Microsoft solutions, which was the topic of this subthread.
- TheFrigginDoC 5y ago
  Xbox bought my forgiveness

miguel-muniz 5y ago

Teams has been an awful experience for me on MacOS: 1. There's plenty of times I open the app and just see a blank screen in the chat window, I have to click away or close the app to get it to work again 2. There was a weird issue where I would get access to their internal debugging menus 3. Sometimes I paste an image and the image disappears. I get an error that they "lost my image". I'm not even sure how that is possible 4. Sometimes a single message will completely fail to load. Just recently this even happened with a code snippet 5. Scrolling a conversation loads in messages too slowly, and if you scroll back all you see are placeholder messages. It makes trying to find something in an old conversation incredibly frustrating 6. I never found the search to produce useful results I would take Slack over Teams any day. The only Microsoft software I like is VSCode

bradknowles 5y ago
We use slack extensively. Unfortunately, slack is designed for the use case where you can easily plug in third party or first party slack apps to provide a massive array of functionality that is not natively built into slack. Guess what happens when you are functionally prevented from using virtually all third party or even first party slack apps, just because there is so many months and years of friction to get them through the approval process? And that’s assuming you can ever get them through the approval process? No, workflows are not sufficient. Not even within the same galaxy of sufficient.