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I don't get how you can work with something that you perceive as a scam? So when you tell your friends or your parents you say "yeah, I rip people off for a liv

I don't get how you can work with something that you perceive as a scam? So when you tell your friends or your parents you say "yeah, I rip people off for a living. Haha"?

throwawaysleep 5y ago
I think many classes of people are incapable of being anything other than broke. Why shouldn't I profit from human nature?
- rags2riches 5y ago
  Having n way to answer "why shouldn't I..." for yourself is no small thing. Don't take it lightly. Many people are incapable of defending themselves. Why shouldn't you...?
- cormacrelf 5y ago
  Leaving out the pretty extreme lack of morality going on here, one reason that may resonate in this community of rich programmers and capitalists is that we shouldn't do it because fraud is inefficient. It is a huge drain on your economy. It is not a good use of capital or time. If for instance it is all a scam and everything collapses to nothing, that's ten years of completely wasted human effort. If you built it and profited from it, you are to blame.
  - jlcoff 5y ago
    I don't have any problem cashing in my 6 figures paycheck when pezzonavantes (from any side since forever) cash out 9 to 10 figures own scams. Honesty is for the poor.
    - lamontcg 5y ago
      > Honesty is for the poor. The morality and ethics crisis in our country in a nutshell. We're building bigger and better systems to scam and exploit each other, meanwhile China keeps on getting better at building real stuff.
      - jlcoff 5y ago
        Don't give me that China bullshit, the poors have been explored tough morality and honesty forever by the various churches, nobility, ruling classes/party, INCLUDING in China.
        jlcoff 5y ago
        typo: explored -> exploited
    - fizzledbits 5y ago
      Keep working hard and maybe one day you’ll be one of those upper echelon sociopaths.
      - jlcoff 5y ago
        Your point being ? I've already been called Nazi, mysogynist, racist, baby killer, pure evil here (on other now-banned accounts). Do you think "sociopath" is gonna affect me the least ? For anything it actually strengthen my no-fuck-given stance.
        fizzledbits 5y ago
        That’s the spirit
        jlcoff 5y ago
        That your remarks are counter-productive ? Congrats, you've leveled up at being useless !
        fizzledbits 5y ago
        You should aspire to be merely useless since by your own admission, you're even less than that. Every one of your posts is some dumbass movie villain cliché - "who cares that I'm a scammer, everything's a scam, maann."
jlcoff 5y ago
I build tools other people are free to use. I have historically refused to implement tools to be used for censorship purpose. Here, you're free to invest/yolo.. or not.
- fizzledbits 5y ago
  Ah the meth dealer’s ethic: “I just sell the stuff, they choose to smoke it.”
- cinntaile 5y ago
  You're free to invest sure, but I assume it doesn't say that the guy who programmed it thinks it's a scam in big fat red letters? I assume you think it's morally wrong to censor and that's why you don't want to build these tools. But how does it differ from thinking it's morally wrong to scam people? Is there some level of degree difference here?

I don't get how you can work with something that you perceive as a scam? So when you tell your friends or your parents you say "yeah, I rip people off for a living. Haha"?

throwawaysleep 5y ago

I think many classes of people are incapable of being anything other than broke. Why shouldn't I profit from human nature?

rags2riches 5y ago
Having n way to answer "why shouldn't I..." for yourself is no small thing. Don't take it lightly. Many people are incapable of defending themselves. Why shouldn't you...?
cormacrelf 5y ago
Leaving out the pretty extreme lack of morality going on here, one reason that may resonate in this community of rich programmers and capitalists is that we shouldn't do it because fraud is inefficient. It is a huge drain on your economy. It is not a good use of capital or time. If for instance it is all a scam and everything collapses to nothing, that's ten years of completely wasted human effort. If you built it and profited from it, you are to blame.
- jlcoff 5y ago
  I don't have any problem cashing in my 6 figures paycheck when pezzonavantes (from any side since forever) cash out 9 to 10 figures own scams. Honesty is for the poor.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > Honesty is for the poor. The morality and ethics crisis in our country in a nutshell. We're building bigger and better systems to scam and exploit each other, meanwhile China keeps on getting better at building real stuff.
    - jlcoff 5y ago
      Don't give me that China bullshit, the poors have been explored tough morality and honesty forever by the various churches, nobility, ruling classes/party, INCLUDING in China.
      - jlcoff 5y ago
        typo: explored -> exploited
  - fizzledbits 5y ago
    Keep working hard and maybe one day you’ll be one of those upper echelon sociopaths.
    - jlcoff 5y ago
      Your point being ? I've already been called Nazi, mysogynist, racist, baby killer, pure evil here (on other now-banned accounts). Do you think "sociopath" is gonna affect me the least ? For anything it actually strengthen my no-fuck-given stance.
      - fizzledbits 5y ago
        That’s the spirit
        jlcoff 5y ago
        That your remarks are counter-productive ? Congrats, you've leveled up at being useless !
        fizzledbits 5y ago
        You should aspire to be merely useless since by your own admission, you're even less than that. Every one of your posts is some dumbass movie villain cliché - "who cares that I'm a scammer, everything's a scam, maann."

jlcoff 5y ago

I build tools other people are free to use. I have historically refused to implement tools to be used for censorship purpose. Here, you're free to invest/yolo.. or not.

fizzledbits 5y ago
Ah the meth dealer’s ethic: “I just sell the stuff, they choose to smoke it.”
cinntaile 5y ago
You're free to invest sure, but I assume it doesn't say that the guy who programmed it thinks it's a scam in big fat red letters? I assume you think it's morally wrong to censor and that's why you don't want to build these tools. But how does it differ from thinking it's morally wrong to scam people? Is there some level of degree difference here?