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I'm working in the same environment, I'm with you bro, it's all a scam. I'm coasting until the whole thing collapse cashing in my paycheck. The math behind is

by jlcoff 5y ago

I'm working in the same environment, I'm with you bro, it's all a scam. I'm coasting until the whole thing collapse cashing in my paycheck. The math behind is fun though.

cinntaile 5y ago
I don't get how you can work with something that you perceive as a scam? So when you tell your friends or your parents you say "yeah, I rip people off for a living. Haha"?
- throwawaysleep 5y ago
  I think many classes of people are incapable of being anything other than broke. Why shouldn't I profit from human nature?
  - rags2riches 5y ago
    Having n way to answer "why shouldn't I..." for yourself is no small thing. Don't take it lightly. Many people are incapable of defending themselves. Why shouldn't you...?
  - cormacrelf 5y ago
    Leaving out the pretty extreme lack of morality going on here, one reason that may resonate in this community of rich programmers and capitalists is that we shouldn't do it because fraud is inefficient. It is a huge drain on your economy. It is not a good use of capital or time. If for instance it is all a scam and everything collapses to nothing, that's ten years of completely wasted human effort. If you built it and profited from it, you are to blame.
    - jlcoff 5y ago
      I don't have any problem cashing in my 6 figures paycheck when pezzonavantes (from any side since forever) cash out 9 to 10 figures own scams. Honesty is for the poor.
      - lamontcg 5y ago
        > Honesty is for the poor. The morality and ethics crisis in our country in a nutshell. We're building bigger and better systems to scam and exploit each other, meanwhile China keeps on getting better at building real stuff.
        jlcoff 5y ago
        Don't give me that China bullshit, the poors have been explored tough morality and honesty forever by the various churches, nobility, ruling classes/party, INCLUDING in China.
        jlcoff 5y ago
        typo: explored -> exploited
      - fizzledbits 5y ago
        Keep working hard and maybe one day you’ll be one of those upper echelon sociopaths.
        jlcoff 5y ago
        Your point being ? I've already been called Nazi, mysogynist, racist, baby killer, pure evil here (on other now-banned accounts). Do you think "sociopath" is gonna affect me the least ? For anything it actually strengthen my no-fuck-given stance.
        fizzledbits 5y ago
        That’s the spirit
        jlcoff 5y ago
        That your remarks are counter-productive ? Congrats, you've leveled up at being useless !
- jlcoff 5y ago
  I build tools other people are free to use. I have historically refused to implement tools to be used for censorship purpose. Here, you're free to invest/yolo.. or not.
  - fizzledbits 5y ago
    Ah the meth dealer’s ethic: “I just sell the stuff, they choose to smoke it.”
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    You're free to invest sure, but I assume it doesn't say that the guy who programmed it thinks it's a scam in big fat red letters? I assume you think it's morally wrong to censor and that's why you don't want to build these tools. But how does it differ from thinking it's morally wrong to scam people? Is there some level of degree difference here?
cormacrelf 5y ago
Have you taken a moment to consider not doing that, and just leaving?
- jlcoff 5y ago
  I'm not biting the whole "thrive on what you like" SV mentra. The money is good, I dug my hole, and I'm fine. Just like with 2008, the problem wasn't CDO dogshit, but people with subprime credit rating buying large house with variable mortgage rate.
  - cormacrelf 5y ago
    (1) You having money and being fine means you have the power to leave. (2) You cannot explain away 2008 as being the fault of the people who couldn't pay their mortgage. WTAF dude. What I'm getting from this is that you have wrapped yourself up in a nice blanket of ignorance and a nice comfy salary, and while you have come to the conclusion that the business you're engaging in is fraudulent, you've convinced yourself that anybody but you is responsible. Participating makes you responsible. If you don't have the scruples to leave something like that and have no financial pressure to stay, then you don't deserve any work in tech when the dust settles. I for one would never hire you.
    - jlcoff 5y ago
      > you have come to the conclusion that the business you're engaging in is fraudulent [...] then you don't deserve any work in tech I do believe the whole tech industry is nothing but a giant scam, selling snake oil at a premium. You are as much the problem as I am. We very much live in a world where you are either the sheep or the wolf, and I ain't gonna be a sheep. I won't back down to bullies of your kind. > I for one would never hire you. At least, I don't pretend I'm gonna save the world from itself.
      - wtf_throwaway 5y ago
        I'm with you brother. If you start to question the morality of who pays your salary, you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would allow yourself to work for. I can think of renewable energies, and not much else. In truth, I already work for an evil company. All companies I worked for in my long career were morally bankrupt one way or another. I never had any trouble sleeping at night. If it's not illegal it's fine.

by jlcoff 5y ago

I'm working in the same environment, I'm with you bro, it's all a scam. I'm coasting until the whole thing collapse cashing in my paycheck. The math behind is fun though.

cinntaile 5y ago

I don't get how you can work with something that you perceive as a scam? So when you tell your friends or your parents you say "yeah, I rip people off for a living. Haha"?

throwawaysleep 5y ago
I think many classes of people are incapable of being anything other than broke. Why shouldn't I profit from human nature?
- rags2riches 5y ago
  Having n way to answer "why shouldn't I..." for yourself is no small thing. Don't take it lightly. Many people are incapable of defending themselves. Why shouldn't you...?
- cormacrelf 5y ago
  Leaving out the pretty extreme lack of morality going on here, one reason that may resonate in this community of rich programmers and capitalists is that we shouldn't do it because fraud is inefficient. It is a huge drain on your economy. It is not a good use of capital or time. If for instance it is all a scam and everything collapses to nothing, that's ten years of completely wasted human effort. If you built it and profited from it, you are to blame.
  - jlcoff 5y ago
    I don't have any problem cashing in my 6 figures paycheck when pezzonavantes (from any side since forever) cash out 9 to 10 figures own scams. Honesty is for the poor.
    - lamontcg 5y ago
      > Honesty is for the poor. The morality and ethics crisis in our country in a nutshell. We're building bigger and better systems to scam and exploit each other, meanwhile China keeps on getting better at building real stuff.
      - jlcoff 5y ago
        Don't give me that China bullshit, the poors have been explored tough morality and honesty forever by the various churches, nobility, ruling classes/party, INCLUDING in China.
        jlcoff 5y ago
        typo: explored -> exploited
    - fizzledbits 5y ago
      Keep working hard and maybe one day you’ll be one of those upper echelon sociopaths.
      - jlcoff 5y ago
        Your point being ? I've already been called Nazi, mysogynist, racist, baby killer, pure evil here (on other now-banned accounts). Do you think "sociopath" is gonna affect me the least ? For anything it actually strengthen my no-fuck-given stance.
        fizzledbits 5y ago
        That’s the spirit
        jlcoff 5y ago
        That your remarks are counter-productive ? Congrats, you've leveled up at being useless !
jlcoff 5y ago
I build tools other people are free to use. I have historically refused to implement tools to be used for censorship purpose. Here, you're free to invest/yolo.. or not.
- fizzledbits 5y ago
  Ah the meth dealer’s ethic: “I just sell the stuff, they choose to smoke it.”
- cinntaile 5y ago
  You're free to invest sure, but I assume it doesn't say that the guy who programmed it thinks it's a scam in big fat red letters? I assume you think it's morally wrong to censor and that's why you don't want to build these tools. But how does it differ from thinking it's morally wrong to scam people? Is there some level of degree difference here?

cormacrelf 5y ago

Have you taken a moment to consider not doing that, and just leaving?

jlcoff 5y ago
I'm not biting the whole "thrive on what you like" SV mentra. The money is good, I dug my hole, and I'm fine. Just like with 2008, the problem wasn't CDO dogshit, but people with subprime credit rating buying large house with variable mortgage rate.
- cormacrelf 5y ago
  (1) You having money and being fine means you have the power to leave. (2) You cannot explain away 2008 as being the fault of the people who couldn't pay their mortgage. WTAF dude. What I'm getting from this is that you have wrapped yourself up in a nice blanket of ignorance and a nice comfy salary, and while you have come to the conclusion that the business you're engaging in is fraudulent, you've convinced yourself that anybody but you is responsible. Participating makes you responsible. If you don't have the scruples to leave something like that and have no financial pressure to stay, then you don't deserve any work in tech when the dust settles. I for one would never hire you.
  - jlcoff 5y ago
    > you have come to the conclusion that the business you're engaging in is fraudulent [...] then you don't deserve any work in tech I do believe the whole tech industry is nothing but a giant scam, selling snake oil at a premium. You are as much the problem as I am. We very much live in a world where you are either the sheep or the wolf, and I ain't gonna be a sheep. I won't back down to bullies of your kind. > I for one would never hire you. At least, I don't pretend I'm gonna save the world from itself.
    - wtf_throwaway 5y ago
      I'm with you brother. If you start to question the morality of who pays your salary, you will soon find that there are very little companies that you would allow yourself to work for. I can think of renewable energies, and not much else. In truth, I already work for an evil company. All companies I worked for in my long career were morally bankrupt one way or another. I never had any trouble sleeping at night. If it's not illegal it's fine.