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Semiconductor industry is almost all B2B. People don't invest much time into trying to make technical content look aesthetically pleasing. It only gets read by

Semiconductor industry is almost all B2B. People don't invest much time into trying to make technical content look aesthetically pleasing. It only gets read by other technical experts who don't value aesthetics as long as the information is clear.

MonaroVXR 5y ago
Like hackernews and blogs that I read .
cxr 5y ago
This is another half-ass attempt to preempt someone saying something pointed and true by subtly tweaking their intent until it's possible to try and interpret it—or rather: deliberately misinterpret it—as saying something that it isn't. Join your friend. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30265930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30265930> This kind of defense mechanism gets old. Beauty has nothing to do with the criticism here. (You seem to have missed, for example, the "and unnecessary" part of the comment; people put in work to make things look this bad.) And "as long as the information is clear" is not a bar that most of the kinds of slides that are under attack can pass. That's in fact the entire point of the criticism. Somehow other industries outside semi (involving really successful companies filled with technical people who also don't prioritize aesthetics) are able to put together something for people to read by simply... writing shit down (you know: something that actually does involve reading), instead of relying on dodgy PowerPoint slides (that of course don't involve reading so much—but do often involve suffering). <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23911577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23911577> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061876 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061876> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19115686 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19115686> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27545331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27545331> Besides that, the statement that "Semiconductor industry is almost all B2B" is a combination of nonsense (i.e., wrong) and irrelevant. The majority of the semiconductor industry where this kind of material plagues the average worker's day is employee2employer.
- 55873445216111 5y ago
  I am not defending anything. I am not saying it's the right way to do it. I am just reporting my own observation of how the industry currently operates, from the perspective of someone working in the industry.
  - Lramseyer 5y ago
    The way your previous comment was worded implied a level of attempt to justify the presentation style as opposed to being worded like: "their argument is [It's B2B...]." And while it's admittedly such a minor nitpick on an internet comment made by somebody I probably don't know, I bring it up because I also work in hardware, and your argument (or quote thereof) echoes of of managers throughout the industry that justify half baked EDA tools, arcane software, disjointed workflows, and visual design akin to drawing with crayons. These things make me want to pull my hair out. We're trying to make chips on bleeding edge lithography processes, yet we're banging rocks together like cavemen when it comes to software, and for no good reason either! And to be clear, I am not trying to justify the response you got, I am simply trying to point out the level of frustration that some engineers in the industry (like myself, and a lot of people on HN) have with our workflows. Especially when we see all of these exciting new tools on HN!

MonaroVXR 5y ago

Like hackernews and blogs that I read .

cxr 5y ago

This is another half-ass attempt to preempt someone saying something pointed and true by subtly tweaking their intent until it's possible to try and interpret it—or rather: deliberately misinterpret it—as saying something that it isn't. Join your friend. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30265930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30265930> This kind of defense mechanism gets old. Beauty has nothing to do with the criticism here. (You seem to have missed, for example, the "and unnecessary" part of the comment; people put in work to make things look this bad.) And "as long as the information is clear" is not a bar that most of the kinds of slides that are under attack can pass. That's in fact the entire point of the criticism. Somehow other industries outside semi (involving really successful companies filled with technical people who also don't prioritize aesthetics) are able to put together something for people to read by simply... writing shit down (you know: something that actually does involve reading), instead of relying on dodgy PowerPoint slides (that of course don't involve reading so much—but do often involve suffering). <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23911577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23911577> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061876 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20061876> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19115686 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19115686> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27545331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27545331> Besides that, the statement that "Semiconductor industry is almost all B2B" is a combination of nonsense (i.e., wrong) and irrelevant. The majority of the semiconductor industry where this kind of material plagues the average worker's day is employee2employer.

55873445216111 5y ago
I am not defending anything. I am not saying it's the right way to do it. I am just reporting my own observation of how the industry currently operates, from the perspective of someone working in the industry.
- Lramseyer 5y ago
  The way your previous comment was worded implied a level of attempt to justify the presentation style as opposed to being worded like: "their argument is [It's B2B...]." And while it's admittedly such a minor nitpick on an internet comment made by somebody I probably don't know, I bring it up because I also work in hardware, and your argument (or quote thereof) echoes of of managers throughout the industry that justify half baked EDA tools, arcane software, disjointed workflows, and visual design akin to drawing with crayons. These things make me want to pull my hair out. We're trying to make chips on bleeding edge lithography processes, yet we're banging rocks together like cavemen when it comes to software, and for no good reason either! And to be clear, I am not trying to justify the response you got, I am simply trying to point out the level of frustration that some engineers in the industry (like myself, and a lot of people on HN) have with our workflows. Especially when we see all of these exciting new tools on HN!