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Telegram and Signal are the best we have out of CENTRALIZED solutions. Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. One a
by EGreg 5y ago
Telegram and Signal are the best we have out of CENTRALIZED solutions. Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. One accuses the other of being less secure and easily backdoored by governments… but the actual problem is — they are both centralized.
We don’t even need to resort to conspiracy theories — all Germany would have to do to ban Telegram is make Apple take it out of its app store. And it is coming close to that. Telegram’s Durov also openly said that they respect countries’ laws and censor certain people because to be kicked out of the app stores in that country is worse.
What is the decentralized alternative? It takes a lot of work and immunity from the profit motive, to build a viable alternative.
Moxie is famously skeptical of decentralization, but it is essential — not just for privacy, but more broadly — for user empowerment and control. If you want to know what the decentralized solutions look like, lease read my answer to Moxie
https://community.intercoin.org/t/web3-moxie-signal-telegram-and-why-decentralization-matters/ https://community.intercoin.org/t/web3-moxie-signal-telegram...
- dane-pgp 5y agoA shorter (and less Web 3-focused) response to Marlinspike's claims in ‘The ecosystem is moving’ is this post by Daniel Gultsch, the maintainer of the "Conversations" XMPP client: https://gultsch.de/objection.html https://gultsch.de/objection.html
- ratsmack 5y ago>... founded by anarchists ... That's reaching deep... seriously?
- EGreg 5y agoIt’s based… no ?
- int_19h 5y agoMarlinspike is a self-described anarchist: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/moxie-marlinspike https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/moxie-marlin... Durov seems to be more of a right libertarian type. Whether this qualifies as "anarchist" or not depends on who you ask.
- caskstrength 5y ago> Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. Telegram didn't have e2e encryption for a long time and its chats are still not e2e encrypted by default. Also, I would hardly call Durov an anarchist.
- LinAGKar 5y ago>What is the decentralized alternative? Matrix