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No I'm not because not everyone goes out and gets covid most days for their whole lives. It's also much much less than 1 in 1,000 for young people in the range

No I'm not because not everyone goes out and gets covid most days for their whole lives. It's also much much less than 1 in 1,000 for young people in the range of 0-30 where auto wrecks are the number one killer in a lot of places. So no, it's more like apples to watermelons. The watermelons being bigger, the ones which have killed far more people and will continue to kill far more people.

jquery 5y ago
Friendly reminder that yesterday, COVID-19 killed over 2000 people in a single day. It’s been keeping that grim pace for weeks. For every person who dies, at least a dozen will suffer from long Covid. Even still, no dangerous shortcuts were taken trying to get the vaccines out (in the West), other than doing steps in parallel rather than in sequence (at great $cost). So even COVID-19 wasn’t enough to “move fast and break things” (though I remember hearing many such calls to “move fast and break things” from the same contrarian-sphere community that is now Very Concerned about vaccine injuries). If COVID-19 wasn’t bad enough to completely remove our safety guardrails, certainly the never ending promise of FSD (watch any Musk video compilation where he promises FSD is just around the corner, going on five years now) isn’t enough.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Yesterday auto deaths killed 4000 people and horrifically maimed many more. As has been the case for the past century and as will continue to happen long after covid is background noise.
  - jquery 5y ago
    4000 in the USA? No it did not. Apples and oranges. Edit: I just looked up the numbers and it’s 102 deaths/day average in the USA. I think it’s a horrific problem and support many initiatives that will take cars off the road and calm traffic.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How many people has self driving cars and their research and development killed? Vanishingly few by comparison. The situation is very analogous to covid and vaccines.
      - jquery 5y ago
        What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        > What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
        jquery 5y ago
        That timeline you linked matched up with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine timelines. mRNA pre-clinical data had been being researched for over a decade. I don’t see anything that conflicts with what I said. Are you under the mistaken impression that mRNA vaccine research began in 2019? Again, you’re claiming vaccine guardrails were removed but posting no evidence. Do they do 5-10 year trials on the annual flu vaccine? Please show me an authoritative medical source concerned about major shortcuts taken bringing the mRNA vaccine to market. Should be a piece of cake.

jquery 5y ago

Friendly reminder that yesterday, COVID-19 killed over 2000 people in a single day. It’s been keeping that grim pace for weeks. For every person who dies, at least a dozen will suffer from long Covid. Even still, no dangerous shortcuts were taken trying to get the vaccines out (in the West), other than doing steps in parallel rather than in sequence (at great $cost). So even COVID-19 wasn’t enough to “move fast and break things” (though I remember hearing many such calls to “move fast and break things” from the same contrarian-sphere community that is now Very Concerned about vaccine injuries). If COVID-19 wasn’t bad enough to completely remove our safety guardrails, certainly the never ending promise of FSD (watch any Musk video compilation where he promises FSD is just around the corner, going on five years now) isn’t enough.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Yesterday auto deaths killed 4000 people and horrifically maimed many more. As has been the case for the past century and as will continue to happen long after covid is background noise.
- jquery 5y ago
  4000 in the USA? No it did not. Apples and oranges. Edit: I just looked up the numbers and it’s 102 deaths/day average in the USA. I think it’s a horrific problem and support many initiatives that will take cars off the road and calm traffic.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How many people has self driving cars and their research and development killed? Vanishingly few by comparison. The situation is very analogous to covid and vaccines.
    - jquery 5y ago
      What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        > What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
        jquery 5y ago
        That timeline you linked matched up with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine timelines. mRNA pre-clinical data had been being researched for over a decade. I don’t see anything that conflicts with what I said. Are you under the mistaken impression that mRNA vaccine research began in 2019? Again, you’re claiming vaccine guardrails were removed but posting no evidence. Do they do 5-10 year trials on the annual flu vaccine? Please show me an authoritative medical source concerned about major shortcuts taken bringing the mRNA vaccine to market. Should be a piece of cake.