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Sure and covid only kills a miniscule proportion of the people who contract it. Over a million people die on the roads every year around the world. It's been a

Sure and covid only kills a miniscule proportion of the people who contract it. Over a million people die on the roads every year around the world. It's been a 100 year covid. Handwringing about someone carefully testing a car and not hitting a cyclist in the process is really pretty rich. I'll happily take actual data and statistics but for every one of these I can also post a video of a driver doing something stupid that a computer would not.

heavyset_go 5y ago
> Sure and covid only kills a miniscule proportion of the people who contract it. A 1 out of 100 to 1 out of 1,000 fatality rate for COVID depending on demographics is quite literally several orders of magnitude higher than a 1 out of 100,000,000 fatality rate for driving. You're comparing apples to atoms.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  No I'm not because not everyone goes out and gets covid most days for their whole lives. It's also much much less than 1 in 1,000 for young people in the range of 0-30 where auto wrecks are the number one killer in a lot of places. So no, it's more like apples to watermelons. The watermelons being bigger, the ones which have killed far more people and will continue to kill far more people.
  - jquery 5y ago
    Friendly reminder that yesterday, COVID-19 killed over 2000 people in a single day. It’s been keeping that grim pace for weeks. For every person who dies, at least a dozen will suffer from long Covid. Even still, no dangerous shortcuts were taken trying to get the vaccines out (in the West), other than doing steps in parallel rather than in sequence (at great $cost). So even COVID-19 wasn’t enough to “move fast and break things” (though I remember hearing many such calls to “move fast and break things” from the same contrarian-sphere community that is now Very Concerned about vaccine injuries). If COVID-19 wasn’t bad enough to completely remove our safety guardrails, certainly the never ending promise of FSD (watch any Musk video compilation where he promises FSD is just around the corner, going on five years now) isn’t enough.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Yesterday auto deaths killed 4000 people and horrifically maimed many more. As has been the case for the past century and as will continue to happen long after covid is background noise.
      - jquery 5y ago
        4000 in the USA? No it did not. Apples and oranges. Edit: I just looked up the numbers and it’s 102 deaths/day average in the USA. I think it’s a horrific problem and support many initiatives that will take cars off the road and calm traffic.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How many people has self driving cars and their research and development killed? Vanishingly few by comparison. The situation is very analogous to covid and vaccines.
        jquery 5y ago
        What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        > What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  The number of times most people will catch COVID is way, way fewer than the number of miles that they'll drive.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Sure and covid only kills a miniscule proportion of the people who contract it. A 1 out of 100 to 1 out of 1,000 fatality rate for COVID depending on demographics is quite literally several orders of magnitude higher than a 1 out of 100,000,000 fatality rate for driving. You're comparing apples to atoms.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
No I'm not because not everyone goes out and gets covid most days for their whole lives. It's also much much less than 1 in 1,000 for young people in the range of 0-30 where auto wrecks are the number one killer in a lot of places. So no, it's more like apples to watermelons. The watermelons being bigger, the ones which have killed far more people and will continue to kill far more people.
- jquery 5y ago
  Friendly reminder that yesterday, COVID-19 killed over 2000 people in a single day. It’s been keeping that grim pace for weeks. For every person who dies, at least a dozen will suffer from long Covid. Even still, no dangerous shortcuts were taken trying to get the vaccines out (in the West), other than doing steps in parallel rather than in sequence (at great $cost). So even COVID-19 wasn’t enough to “move fast and break things” (though I remember hearing many such calls to “move fast and break things” from the same contrarian-sphere community that is now Very Concerned about vaccine injuries). If COVID-19 wasn’t bad enough to completely remove our safety guardrails, certainly the never ending promise of FSD (watch any Musk video compilation where he promises FSD is just around the corner, going on five years now) isn’t enough.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Yesterday auto deaths killed 4000 people and horrifically maimed many more. As has been the case for the past century and as will continue to happen long after covid is background noise.
    - jquery 5y ago
      4000 in the USA? No it did not. Apples and oranges. Edit: I just looked up the numbers and it’s 102 deaths/day average in the USA. I think it’s a horrific problem and support many initiatives that will take cars off the road and calm traffic.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        4000 people died, what I said is true. 102 deaths every day in the USA alone is staggering, and many children and young people! Are you trying to it's not? How many people has self driving cars and their research and development killed? Vanishingly few by comparison. The situation is very analogous to covid and vaccines.
        jquery 5y ago
        What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        > What vaccine guardrails are you under the impression were removed? The guardrails that the typical trial process has, see e.g.,: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials > AFAIK none were removed, it's just steps were done in parallel at great $expense. No, the far greater expense is the typical 5-10 years that clinical trials require. > It appears you are trying to imply that it's fine if Tesla skips safety testing and pops a few skulls like watermelons in pursuit of $FSD. I'm not saying perfection is possible, but certainly Tesla can do better than it's doing. If anything, Tesla threatens to set everything back with its sloppiness. One bad accident could create enough bad PR to set self-driving cars back for years. It doesn't appear that I'm trying to imply that at all, it appears you're just making things up.
josephcsible 5y ago
The number of times most people will catch COVID is way, way fewer than the number of miles that they'll drive.