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Wouldn't it be more like a crisis of post-modernity? They say high modernism and all that 20th century stuff is behind us. People never trusted authorities out

Wouldn't it be more like a crisis of post-modernity? They say high modernism and all that 20th century stuff is behind us. People never trusted authorities outside of the first world. The Western governments were hiding their true nature much better for a long time. In the last 20-30 years the world previously known as civilized has degenerated enough to exhibit the same problems people living outside of it are used to. Europe's fate was arguably sealed by WWII. But what happened to America at the pinnacle of its power will keep historians busy for a century. Younger people need to be reminded that one man's terrorists are another man's freedom fighters. There is no universal truth in human affairs, just a fight for survival of your people against other groups. You need to learn which side you belong to and support them. Typically your government is your worst enemy, not some foreign dictator. Censorship is binary. Freedom of thought is absolute and you are either free or not. There's no "moderation", just powers that be positioning to demoralize and exploit you if not drive you to extinction.

unethical_ban 5y ago
There is no such thing as "more good" more "more evil", simply "existing to survive" - but there is an absolute binary of freedom vs. non-freedom? There is no such thing as moderation(pragmatism) in policy? There is no power(government?) except those trying to demoralize and exploit you to extinction? Fellow HNers, I don't know where to begin dismantling this post or what to say that wouldn't be construed as a personal attack. Can someone with more skill call out the terms for the paranoia and hypocrisy here?
- nobody9999 5y ago
  >Fellow HNers, I don't know where to begin dismantling this post or what to say that wouldn't be construed as a personal attack. Can someone with more skill call out the terms for the paranoia and hypocrisy here? Given the lack of specificity and details, GP's claims are absolutely suspect. I'd suggest just leaving it alone, since the vagueness of the assertions made makes it impossible to refute or argue with GP about it, since we really have no idea what they are blathering on about. Pull at one thread and the response can be "that's not what I was talking about" with more unsupport[ed|able] assertions, potentially with a goalpost move as well. To quote a terrible movie[0], in the case of the comment you're replying to "the only winning move is not to play." IMHO, YMMV, etc., etc., etc. As such, I recommend backing away slowly. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames

unethical_ban 5y ago

There is no such thing as "more good" more "more evil", simply "existing to survive" - but there is an absolute binary of freedom vs. non-freedom? There is no such thing as moderation(pragmatism) in policy? There is no power(government?) except those trying to demoralize and exploit you to extinction? Fellow HNers, I don't know where to begin dismantling this post or what to say that wouldn't be construed as a personal attack. Can someone with more skill call out the terms for the paranoia and hypocrisy here?

nobody9999 5y ago
>Fellow HNers, I don't know where to begin dismantling this post or what to say that wouldn't be construed as a personal attack. Can someone with more skill call out the terms for the paranoia and hypocrisy here? Given the lack of specificity and details, GP's claims are absolutely suspect. I'd suggest just leaving it alone, since the vagueness of the assertions made makes it impossible to refute or argue with GP about it, since we really have no idea what they are blathering on about. Pull at one thread and the response can be "that's not what I was talking about" with more unsupport[ed|able] assertions, potentially with a goalpost move as well. To quote a terrible movie[0], in the case of the comment you're replying to "the only winning move is not to play." IMHO, YMMV, etc., etc., etc. As such, I recommend backing away slowly. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames