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25b was a very commonly found compound in 2012-2014 gen 1 Silk Road era. A visual, not too uncomfortable cousin of LSD. Except the risk profile was completely

25b was a very commonly found compound in 2012-2014 gen 1 Silk Road era. A visual, not too uncomfortable cousin of LSD. Except the risk profile was completely different. 25i, 25c, 25b, 25d nBome's. The "fake acid" that your high school administration actually had a reason to fret about. Ironically, xanax is what actually should had had the attention. Maybe the high school administration were taking/selling too much Xanax to see the issue.

dr_dshiv 5y ago
Xanax is terrifying. Psychedelics I can handle.
- kleene_op 5y ago
  And benzodiapeines withdrawal is insanely painful to overcome. Benzos are bottom of the barrel drugs as far as I'm concerned. The fact that they are still regularly prescribed by some doctors to the elderly (for no other good reason than to get them off their face) is borderline criminal.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    I like them. They make me feel beautifully relaxed and allow me to get a wonderful night’s sleep. I used to take a dose once every week or two, and I would always wake up feeling wonderful. They are horribly addictive and withdrawal can kill, as can OD and mixing with anything else has potential to kill, so clearly they aren’t without issues. But when used in a measured way I found them to be lovely. I’ve never taken Xanax though, it’s a lot longer lasting than the stuff I tried.
    - wholinator2 5y ago
      Really? I'd be interested in knowing what it was you had. As far as I understand, xanax is one of the quickest acting benzos on the market. With something like valium being the traditional interpretation of 'long acting'.
      - Nursie 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutazolam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutazolam, from Japan. It has an elimination half-life of about 3.5 hours compared to 11-16 for xanax. Valium is around 50 hours IIRC. I also tried etizolam, which has a half-life around 3.5 hours, but its active metabolite has a half-life around 8, so the effect tended to hang around a bit into the next day. Apparently flutazolam also has an active metabolite that lives longer ... but it never seemed apparent. At the time both of these were freely and legally importable into the UK where I lived. This is no longer the case, and that's probably for the best - RC benzo use was getting to epidemic levels. (incidentally, reading up on this, I have realised that xanax is not a lot longer lasting as I initially said, it's actually pretty short acting for a benzodiazepine, around 1.5-2x as long as flutazolam AFAICT)
- capableweb 5y ago
  Xanax is for people who don't want to think, psychedelics are for people who feel they can't think enough. Accidentally, (too much) Xanax turns people into zombies who can't think while (too much) psychedelics turns people into aliens that talk a different language than everyone else.
  - virtuallynathan 5y ago
    Hamilton Morris has commented on this paradox of drugs... People who take Amphetamines because they want more energy end up tired, etc.
    - Nursie 5y ago
      I always thought that with substances like that you were only ever borrowing from the future.
      - dr_dshiv 5y ago
        Dosage and timing is key.
      - astrange 5y ago
        Amphetamines at therapeutic doses are safe and neuroprotective (and even prevent substance abuse), but if you're abusing them "for energy" that's not a therapeutic dose. If you're doing that, what you actually need is 8+ hours sleep, proper sunlight and exercise, a sleep apnea check, and then maybe buy adrafinil off the internet (where legal).
        Nursie 5y ago
        I guess I was talking more about recreational doses than therapeutic ones.
  - FollowingTheDao 5y ago
    Benzos bring me to a place where all of you people live. I take klonopin as needed because I think way way way way way too much. I know glutamate plays a large role in my schizoaffective disorder and I can bring me out of an involuntary trip and a half an hour. So I just wanna kind of correct what you said, Xanax is for people who think too much and psychedelics are for people who think too little.
- Jerrrry 5y ago
  Agreed. The "good" feeling was so terrifying, so alienatingly remote from any sanely-achieved accomplishment/reward that I have had a hard time ever taking it again, unless to cancel the effects of psychedlics.
  - btmorex 5y ago
    FYI, I've taken 10mg Xanax during a trip that wasn't going well and it did literally nothing. Normally, 0.5mg would put me to sleep. Seroquel (Quetiapine), on the other hand, does work if you want an escape hatch and don't mind being sedated.
    - FollowingTheDao 5y ago
      I’m curious to what dose of Seroquel you take to get you out of the trip.
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dr_dshiv 5y ago

Xanax is terrifying. Psychedelics I can handle.

kleene_op 5y ago
And benzodiapeines withdrawal is insanely painful to overcome. Benzos are bottom of the barrel drugs as far as I'm concerned. The fact that they are still regularly prescribed by some doctors to the elderly (for no other good reason than to get them off their face) is borderline criminal.
- Nursie 5y ago
  I like them. They make me feel beautifully relaxed and allow me to get a wonderful night’s sleep. I used to take a dose once every week or two, and I would always wake up feeling wonderful. They are horribly addictive and withdrawal can kill, as can OD and mixing with anything else has potential to kill, so clearly they aren’t without issues. But when used in a measured way I found them to be lovely. I’ve never taken Xanax though, it’s a lot longer lasting than the stuff I tried.
  - wholinator2 5y ago
    Really? I'd be interested in knowing what it was you had. As far as I understand, xanax is one of the quickest acting benzos on the market. With something like valium being the traditional interpretation of 'long acting'.
    - Nursie 5y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutazolam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutazolam, from Japan. It has an elimination half-life of about 3.5 hours compared to 11-16 for xanax. Valium is around 50 hours IIRC. I also tried etizolam, which has a half-life around 3.5 hours, but its active metabolite has a half-life around 8, so the effect tended to hang around a bit into the next day. Apparently flutazolam also has an active metabolite that lives longer ... but it never seemed apparent. At the time both of these were freely and legally importable into the UK where I lived. This is no longer the case, and that's probably for the best - RC benzo use was getting to epidemic levels. (incidentally, reading up on this, I have realised that xanax is not a lot longer lasting as I initially said, it's actually pretty short acting for a benzodiazepine, around 1.5-2x as long as flutazolam AFAICT)
capableweb 5y ago
Xanax is for people who don't want to think, psychedelics are for people who feel they can't think enough. Accidentally, (too much) Xanax turns people into zombies who can't think while (too much) psychedelics turns people into aliens that talk a different language than everyone else.
- virtuallynathan 5y ago
  Hamilton Morris has commented on this paradox of drugs... People who take Amphetamines because they want more energy end up tired, etc.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    I always thought that with substances like that you were only ever borrowing from the future.
    - dr_dshiv 5y ago
      Dosage and timing is key.
    - astrange 5y ago
      Amphetamines at therapeutic doses are safe and neuroprotective (and even prevent substance abuse), but if you're abusing them "for energy" that's not a therapeutic dose. If you're doing that, what you actually need is 8+ hours sleep, proper sunlight and exercise, a sleep apnea check, and then maybe buy adrafinil off the internet (where legal).
      - Nursie 5y ago
        I guess I was talking more about recreational doses than therapeutic ones.
- FollowingTheDao 5y ago
  Benzos bring me to a place where all of you people live. I take klonopin as needed because I think way way way way way too much. I know glutamate plays a large role in my schizoaffective disorder and I can bring me out of an involuntary trip and a half an hour. So I just wanna kind of correct what you said, Xanax is for people who think too much and psychedelics are for people who think too little.
Jerrrry 5y ago
Agreed. The "good" feeling was so terrifying, so alienatingly remote from any sanely-achieved accomplishment/reward that I have had a hard time ever taking it again, unless to cancel the effects of psychedlics.
- btmorex 5y ago
  FYI, I've taken 10mg Xanax during a trip that wasn't going well and it did literally nothing. Normally, 0.5mg would put me to sleep. Seroquel (Quetiapine), on the other hand, does work if you want an escape hatch and don't mind being sedated.
  - FollowingTheDao 5y ago
    I’m curious to what dose of Seroquel you take to get you out of the trip.

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