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> Still think MacOS is crap overall though. Soon as linux is viable on M1 as a daily driver, i am checking out of macos. This is a weird position to hold. You

by pdpi 5y ago

> Still think MacOS is crap overall though. Soon as linux is viable on M1 as a daily driver, i am checking out of macos. This is a weird position to hold. You just argued why macOS does some fundamental things (at least memory management) really well.

andrekandre 5y ago
just a guess, but probably they are saying from a developer perspective; there are less options in macos (many libraries/packages not available) and less room to customize things
drewzero1 5y ago
It's possible to appreciate certain aspects of a product and still dislike the product as a whole. I appreciate how relatively easy it is to understand Windows' directory structure (for example) but that doesn't mean I want to use the whole OS on my own time.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  Ye, I dislike the Unixy way of mounting hard drives where ever. There is some mental calmness of having the root of the HD at a drive letter in "My Computer" ...
  - TimeBearingDown 5y ago
    Linux disk management tools were my gateway drug. diskpart and diskmgmt.msc are fine, but gparted does nearly anything feasible, it’s indispensable. Then you just run ‘mount’ and ‘df -h’ a lot and in the end that’s similar to ‘net use’ on Windows + My Computer wrapped into one. “Everything is a file” is a useful paradigm, and then just think of your disk as an image file in a fixed spot. Sorry if this winds up a ramble or you’re well aware.
- pdpi 5y ago
  Sure, but there is a difference between "I don't like this" and "this is crap". I can 100% see how macOS might rub people the wrong way, and there are definitely some dubious choices in there from a purely technical point of view, but that doesn't really amount to "crap overall".
firecall 5y ago
It really is. Even if you dont like the macOS GUI, I dont think any reasonable evaluation could call macOS 'crap overall'. Distros like Ubuntu, are excellent, but they just dont have feature parity with macOS.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > I dont think any reasonable evaluation could call macOS 'crap overall'. Would it not depend on the workload? I hear a lot of web developers and content creators who share this sentiment; fair enough. But there's a number of consumer markets who would indeed drag MacOS for lacking 32-bit support, decent container compatibility or a package manager. It's overall less compatible with software than Windows or even Linux, and if you want to do development outside of the Apple ecosystem or besides the web, getting a proper development environment up and running is an exercise on the treadmill of neverending maintenance. It certainly doesn't look appealing to a gaming crowd or people writing software for Windows (with M1 cross-compiling is dead in the water), it can't do Boot Camp anymore and it's a nightmare for DevOps folks who want to run Docker tests on their laptop. I can understand who likes MacOS and why they'd like it, but if you do anything other than text editing or media encoding for a living then the benefits of using MacOS start to deteriorate very quickly.
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    Ya, but that is still a kind of 1 star until they do x kind of thing. Meanwhile if a macOS fan was to say they think Windows is crap because for some reason they feel the need to re-install the OS every month to solve some inexplicable stability problem, it would probably make a bit more sense. I'm a gamer and have a PC only for that purpose, I don't feel like my mac is crap because it doesn't play some of them.
elzbardico 5y ago
Maybe I am old, but modern operating systems are so much better than what I had in the 90's that honestly I don't care too much to micro-optimize my personal usage with the perfect operating system. As long as they do power management and external displays well, I don't care too much if using Mac OS, Fedora or Windows 10/11 with WSL.

by pdpi 5y ago

andrekandre 5y ago

just a guess, but probably they are saying from a developer perspective; there are less options in macos (many libraries/packages not available) and less room to customize things

drewzero1 5y ago

It's possible to appreciate certain aspects of a product and still dislike the product as a whole. I appreciate how relatively easy it is to understand Windows' directory structure (for example) but that doesn't mean I want to use the whole OS on my own time.

rightbyte 5y ago
Ye, I dislike the Unixy way of mounting hard drives where ever. There is some mental calmness of having the root of the HD at a drive letter in "My Computer" ...
- TimeBearingDown 5y ago
  Linux disk management tools were my gateway drug. diskpart and diskmgmt.msc are fine, but gparted does nearly anything feasible, it’s indispensable. Then you just run ‘mount’ and ‘df -h’ a lot and in the end that’s similar to ‘net use’ on Windows + My Computer wrapped into one. “Everything is a file” is a useful paradigm, and then just think of your disk as an image file in a fixed spot. Sorry if this winds up a ramble or you’re well aware.
pdpi 5y ago
Sure, but there is a difference between "I don't like this" and "this is crap". I can 100% see how macOS might rub people the wrong way, and there are definitely some dubious choices in there from a purely technical point of view, but that doesn't really amount to "crap overall".

firecall 5y ago

It really is. Even if you dont like the macOS GUI, I dont think any reasonable evaluation could call macOS 'crap overall'. Distros like Ubuntu, are excellent, but they just dont have feature parity with macOS.

smoldesu 5y ago
> I dont think any reasonable evaluation could call macOS 'crap overall'. Would it not depend on the workload? I hear a lot of web developers and content creators who share this sentiment; fair enough. But there's a number of consumer markets who would indeed drag MacOS for lacking 32-bit support, decent container compatibility or a package manager. It's overall less compatible with software than Windows or even Linux, and if you want to do development outside of the Apple ecosystem or besides the web, getting a proper development environment up and running is an exercise on the treadmill of neverending maintenance. It certainly doesn't look appealing to a gaming crowd or people writing software for Windows (with M1 cross-compiling is dead in the water), it can't do Boot Camp anymore and it's a nightmare for DevOps folks who want to run Docker tests on their laptop. I can understand who likes MacOS and why they'd like it, but if you do anything other than text editing or media encoding for a living then the benefits of using MacOS start to deteriorate very quickly.
- brailsafe 5y ago
  Ya, but that is still a kind of 1 star until they do x kind of thing. Meanwhile if a macOS fan was to say they think Windows is crap because for some reason they feel the need to re-install the OS every month to solve some inexplicable stability problem, it would probably make a bit more sense. I'm a gamer and have a PC only for that purpose, I don't feel like my mac is crap because it doesn't play some of them.

elzbardico 5y ago

Maybe I am old, but modern operating systems are so much better than what I had in the 90's that honestly I don't care too much to micro-optimize my personal usage with the perfect operating system. As long as they do power management and external displays well, I don't care too much if using Mac OS, Fedora or Windows 10/11 with WSL.