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> I don't think that it's Authority trust issue at all. I think is communication issue because most of the "misleading" that had happened is a result of oversim

> I don't think that it's Authority trust issue at all. I think is communication issue because most of the "misleading" that had happened is a result of oversimplifications in an attempt to communicate very complex issues that require deep expertise to have a theory or an educated guess. the assumption you're making here is that Authority is always correct (or at least knows when it's not 100% correct) and always truthful. this is false, as demonstrated by early on pandemic rhetoric of "masks don't do anything, don't buy masks." we now know that, regardless of whether masks actually do anything or not, this was deliberate misinformation designed to get citizens to not deplete mask supplies so they could be saved for medical professionals early on in the pandemic when things were crazy. I have seen people on this very website admit that they are aware of this fact yet maintain trust in these Authorities because although they were deliberately misleading us, They Were Doing So With Righteous Intentions, So It's Okay. once you've admitted that you're aware that an Authority has lied to you, but only because It Was In Everyone's Best Interest, how can you continue to trust that everything the Authority says going forward is the Truth?

mrtksn 5y ago
I don't talk about authority at all, that doesn't interests me. Just to be sure, by authority I mean people who hold authority over something due to their appointment. For example, the mask thing is an USA issue as the people who said that had no authority outside of the USA. Our right wingers often import American propaganda and it's death giveaway when they start talking about something that some American politician like dr. Fauci said. In the case of authority, there's close to 0 trust in what they say where I live currenly, no one cares about the authority, Therefore we here don't have a case of "We trusted the authorities but we were misled" because we always assume that they are corrupt and incompetent. In fact, the health ministry showed better than the average competence and just as they start building some trust, they were exposed to be lying shamelessly. Seriously, who cares about what the authorities says? I thought that ship sailed long ago? Governments lying and people trusting them is a myth, trust diminishes extremely quickly. Politicians constantly rank at the bottom of the most polls about trustworthiness, everywhere. Besides the outright lying politicians, the misinformation happens when people try to digest very complex information beyond their capacity to understand it and when a person who is actually in control of the complex information tries to simplify things to the layman. If physics were more mainstream, we would have people misunderstanding science and data. Oh wait, we have those. It's just that those people are not marching on the streets(yet). We have flat Earthers , we have perpetuum mobile builders, we have all kind if ridicilous stuff build around layman misunderstanding things and building alternative realities over oversimplified scientific topics. We also have the sharlatans, sure but when people say "authority in physics", that said only colloquially and when they speak publicly they commit the sin of oversimplifications and best guesses presented as clairvoyance due to their god-like understanding of the universe.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "Seriously, who cares about what the authorities says? I thought that ship sailed long ago?" All the major religions are alive and well, and have billions of believers who care very, very much about what their authorities say.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    I don't think so, they usually follow local spiritual leaders. That's why no issue is ever resolved by their authorities, they keep fighting and dividing all the time.
    - thephyber 5y ago
      There are some glaring counter examples to your assertion. The Catholic Church is the largest sect of Christianity, the largest religion. Protestantism (typically a smaller, more local organization) is actually a smaller branch, but has many megachurches.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      "they usually follow local spiritual leaders" Whoever they follow, those are their authorities. "That's why no issue is ever resolved by their authorities, they keep fighting and dividing all the time." They fight because their authorities tell them to.
      - mrtksn 5y ago
        Authority is NOT a synonym for a leader or a consultant.

mrtksn 5y ago

I don't talk about authority at all, that doesn't interests me. Just to be sure, by authority I mean people who hold authority over something due to their appointment. For example, the mask thing is an USA issue as the people who said that had no authority outside of the USA. Our right wingers often import American propaganda and it's death giveaway when they start talking about something that some American politician like dr. Fauci said. In the case of authority, there's close to 0 trust in what they say where I live currenly, no one cares about the authority, Therefore we here don't have a case of "We trusted the authorities but we were misled" because we always assume that they are corrupt and incompetent. In fact, the health ministry showed better than the average competence and just as they start building some trust, they were exposed to be lying shamelessly. Seriously, who cares about what the authorities says? I thought that ship sailed long ago? Governments lying and people trusting them is a myth, trust diminishes extremely quickly. Politicians constantly rank at the bottom of the most polls about trustworthiness, everywhere. Besides the outright lying politicians, the misinformation happens when people try to digest very complex information beyond their capacity to understand it and when a person who is actually in control of the complex information tries to simplify things to the layman. If physics were more mainstream, we would have people misunderstanding science and data. Oh wait, we have those. It's just that those people are not marching on the streets(yet). We have flat Earthers , we have perpetuum mobile builders, we have all kind if ridicilous stuff build around layman misunderstanding things and building alternative realities over oversimplified scientific topics. We also have the sharlatans, sure but when people say "authority in physics", that said only colloquially and when they speak publicly they commit the sin of oversimplifications and best guesses presented as clairvoyance due to their god-like understanding of the universe.

pmoriarty 5y ago
"Seriously, who cares about what the authorities says? I thought that ship sailed long ago?" All the major religions are alive and well, and have billions of believers who care very, very much about what their authorities say.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  I don't think so, they usually follow local spiritual leaders. That's why no issue is ever resolved by their authorities, they keep fighting and dividing all the time.
  - thephyber 5y ago
    There are some glaring counter examples to your assertion. The Catholic Church is the largest sect of Christianity, the largest religion. Protestantism (typically a smaller, more local organization) is actually a smaller branch, but has many megachurches.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    "they usually follow local spiritual leaders" Whoever they follow, those are their authorities. "That's why no issue is ever resolved by their authorities, they keep fighting and dividing all the time." They fight because their authorities tell them to.
    - mrtksn 5y ago
      Authority is NOT a synonym for a leader or a consultant.