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For those curious, this is accurate according to Department of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wh

For those curious, this is accurate according to Department of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped However, I think the point being advocated in this thread is that businesses should have to pay minimum wage (before tips). That said, it would be interesting how employers would respond if that was required by law - since removing tips would not save the employer any money, I wonder if that would result in less hiring.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
You can see the results in states that have no tipped minimum wage, such as WA/CA/OR. Generally, restaurant prices are higher (minimum $25 per meal per person without alcoholic drinks), but tipping is still expected by the waiters for waited service. Bottom line is waiters earn more money, but possibly fewer people can afford to eat out and maybe there are fewer waiters overall. I dislike waited food service anyway, I much prefer to just buy at the counter and bus my own table, and it might result in more restaurants like that.
- hunter2_ 5y ago
  What are your thoughts about using a counter and self-bussing but the clerk faces a tablet at you with 3 large buttons: 18%, 20%, 25% ? Not only will the personal service be minimal, but the only part you can even judge at that point is how well they took your order... who knows if something will go south! So it's clearly just about keeping menu prices artificially low.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I have always been able to choose “no tip”, along with those other options. If it was not there, then depending on who I was with, I would either walk out or eat the cost and then never go back and leave a review that says they bait and switch pricing. Tipping is about price segmentation / discrimination. Good for the seller, bad for the buyer.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

You can see the results in states that have no tipped minimum wage, such as WA/CA/OR. Generally, restaurant prices are higher (minimum $25 per meal per person without alcoholic drinks), but tipping is still expected by the waiters for waited service. Bottom line is waiters earn more money, but possibly fewer people can afford to eat out and maybe there are fewer waiters overall. I dislike waited food service anyway, I much prefer to just buy at the counter and bus my own table, and it might result in more restaurants like that.

hunter2_ 5y ago
What are your thoughts about using a counter and self-bussing but the clerk faces a tablet at you with 3 large buttons: 18%, 20%, 25% ? Not only will the personal service be minimal, but the only part you can even judge at that point is how well they took your order... who knows if something will go south! So it's clearly just about keeping menu prices artificially low.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I have always been able to choose “no tip”, along with those other options. If it was not there, then depending on who I was with, I would either walk out or eat the cost and then never go back and leave a review that says they bait and switch pricing. Tipping is about price segmentation / discrimination. Good for the seller, bad for the buyer.