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> all it takes is a word like "COVID" or "election" to trigger their censorship system I can count multiple posts on my newsfeed in the last 48 hours on both t

> all it takes is a word like "COVID" or "election" to trigger their censorship system I can count multiple posts on my newsfeed in the last 48 hours on both topics, for better and worse. Whatever it takes to have something cross a threshold where it doesn't show in newsfeeds, it's definitely something more than words like "covid" or "election."

CamperBob2 5y ago
The fact that the policy is not fully disclosed is, in itself, not OK. And no, I don't care that disclosing specific moderation rules "helps the bad guys." That's another pernicious modern trope, and another example of online services confusing their problem with my problem.
dheera 5y ago
For ads, businesses, and groups, that's fine. But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default, with an option to mute their content if they get annoying. I don't want an algorithm deciding this for me. I have COVID experts in my friend circle and I most certainly want to see 100% of their posts, for example.
- wwweston 5y ago
  I'm speaking of posts that I see from friends. I'm sympathetic to the problems of algorithms mediating what's seen; I'm often annoyed at the ways feeds are put together myself. I'm especially annoyed that the former feature enabling you to look at a feed of specific lists of friends seems to have fallen by the wayside. That's distinct from the issue of whether FB is systematically demoting / hiding posts by keyword, and there's evidence that they're not doing it based off the keywords you specified.
  - bmarquez 5y ago
    I've also noticed some strange behavior based on those types of keywords on Facebook as well, but there is something more than just the keyword itself. I believe there there is some sort of user reputation rating or other algorithmic factor (or maybe even their own friends reporting the content) -- because certain people on my feed get demoted faster than others. Unfortunately unless the algorithm is disclosed to the public (IMO it should) nobody will know with certainty.
- nitwit005 5y ago
  > But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default, with an option to mute their content if they get annoying. Facebook very deliberately removed the option to get a raw feed, and a lot of people have never forgiven them for it. All sorts of totally mundane stuff you post won't get seen.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Find a service that provides this for you, or build that service yourself. At the very least, you'll discover why no existing service provides this. "I want" doesn't translate directly into value for everyone. Heck, it's fairly rare for you to even know what you actually want. I do grow weary of the constant, "But I want it!" attitude that seems pervasive on the Internet. You aren't entitled to the perfect-for-you feed from Facebook.
  - 8note 5y ago
    I used to have one in Facebook, and I used to have one in instagram. These platforms got users by providing that service, and only remove them later once they want to exploit us
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  - dheera 5y ago
    > Find a service that provides this for you Sure, Twitter and Wechat do mostly what I want in terms of not censoring content between friends.
- fknorangesite 5y ago
  > But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default Yes, that's what we all want - but it's what Facebook aggressively phased out and then outright removed years ago. It's not coming back.

CamperBob2 5y ago

The fact that the policy is not fully disclosed is, in itself, not OK. And no, I don't care that disclosing specific moderation rules "helps the bad guys." That's another pernicious modern trope, and another example of online services confusing their problem with my problem.

dheera 5y ago

For ads, businesses, and groups, that's fine. But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default, with an option to mute their content if they get annoying. I don't want an algorithm deciding this for me. I have COVID experts in my friend circle and I most certainly want to see 100% of their posts, for example.

wwweston 5y ago
I'm speaking of posts that I see from friends. I'm sympathetic to the problems of algorithms mediating what's seen; I'm often annoyed at the ways feeds are put together myself. I'm especially annoyed that the former feature enabling you to look at a feed of specific lists of friends seems to have fallen by the wayside. That's distinct from the issue of whether FB is systematically demoting / hiding posts by keyword, and there's evidence that they're not doing it based off the keywords you specified.
- bmarquez 5y ago
  I've also noticed some strange behavior based on those types of keywords on Facebook as well, but there is something more than just the keyword itself. I believe there there is some sort of user reputation rating or other algorithmic factor (or maybe even their own friends reporting the content) -- because certain people on my feed get demoted faster than others. Unfortunately unless the algorithm is disclosed to the public (IMO it should) nobody will know with certainty.
nitwit005 5y ago
> But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default, with an option to mute their content if they get annoying. Facebook very deliberately removed the option to get a raw feed, and a lot of people have never forgiven them for it. All sorts of totally mundane stuff you post won't get seen.
TameAntelope 5y ago
Find a service that provides this for you, or build that service yourself. At the very least, you'll discover why no existing service provides this. "I want" doesn't translate directly into value for everyone. Heck, it's fairly rare for you to even know what you actually want. I do grow weary of the constant, "But I want it!" attitude that seems pervasive on the Internet. You aren't entitled to the perfect-for-you feed from Facebook.
- 8note 5y ago
  I used to have one in Facebook, and I used to have one in instagram. These platforms got users by providing that service, and only remove them later once they want to exploit us
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- dheera 5y ago
  > Find a service that provides this for you Sure, Twitter and Wechat do mostly what I want in terms of not censoring content between friends.
fknorangesite 5y ago
> But for friends, if I mutually added someone as a friend, I want to see 100% of their content by default Yes, that's what we all want - but it's what Facebook aggressively phased out and then outright removed years ago. It's not coming back.