I take your point and I understand that you could get that impression looking at the website; they have stuff to sell. There's also more of a market for some o

I take your point and I understand that you could get that impression looking at the website; they have stuff to sell. There's also more of a market for some of that stuff, and the reason is the huge proliferation of different PHP execution environments. PHP runs in more places and there are more opportunities to help correct for the limitations of those environments (with log monitoring tools and the like). (Also -- contrarywise as they say -- PHP does _not_ run first-class in some serverless environments; you need a custom execution environment for PHP in Lambda. So there's an opportunity there.) But as a developer experience it is really not commercialised at all. I do not look at or think of any of those things, and I've not encountered any significant upselling. I'd forgotten all about Forge until you mentioned it! (And will now revisit it)