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I think the researchers don’t understand how it works. It’s not that you take mushrooms and suddenly your anxiety decreases. It doesn’t give you anxiety immuni

by voski 5y ago

I think the researchers don’t understand how it works. It’s not that you take mushrooms and suddenly your anxiety decreases. It doesn’t give you anxiety immunity either… I think it gives you the opportunity to see things from another perspective. If you can make use of this opportunity you can break down your conditioning and maybe free yourself from your anxiety. It all depends on where you go with it in your head.

glial 5y ago
Interesting. I wonder if CBT + mushrooms is more effective than either separately.
dTal 5y ago
If you're taking enough mushrooms to "see things from another perspective", that's not microdosing, that's regular dosing.
- voski 5y ago
  Hmm not sure I agree with you. You can see things from another perspective when you are completely sober...
- ajkdhcb2 5y ago
  Indeed people tend to define microdosing as a dose without a mind-altering trip. The benefits largely come from the trip itself, rather than the trip being a side-effect, so this could be a fruitless venture. I think it is obviously silly that people expect to be able to divorce the effects from the trip. It is still an extremely interesting question to ask what effects come from small sub-perceptual doses of psychedelics.
  - dTal 5y ago
    >The benefits largely come from the trip itself, rather than the trip being a side-effect Well, that hasn't really been scientifically established, has it? It could simply be an illusion - just because I had a transcendental experience, then I woke up the next day feeling amazing, doesn't necessarily mean the transcendental experience caused me to feel amazing. No doubt there is some truth to it, as people report all kinds of life-affirming revelations that persist when sober, but we shouldn't exclude the possibility of psilocybin as a therapeutic drug in the traditional mould. An experiment I would like to see is whether the positive after-effects of a macrodose are still measurable if the subject is unconscious the entire time. Helpfully, this would also blind the study, although a possible confounding factor is that medically rendering someone unconscious has after-effects of its own.
culopatin 5y ago
What you propose doesn’t seem to be microdosing. But it seems like what you’re saying is not so much about the drug but about the opportunity
- voski 5y ago
  I do understand that they are talking about micro dosing. I suppose I don't really know what the definition of micro dosing is. Is it taking something and not crossing the threshold for it to have any effects? If so what would the point of that be... Is it taking the minimum amount to pass the threshold? I have experienced the effects I talked about above with 300-500 mg doses of raw mushrooms. I don't know the amount of psilocybin... But that is a relatively small dose of mushrooms.
  - culopatin 5y ago
    Hey btw sorry I changed my message last minute. I realized I sounded like an asshole so I edited it. I would say microdosing should allow for the placebo to be effective. So yes, no visible effects. However, it doesn’t seem like they succeeded 100% on that.

by voski 5y ago

glial 5y ago

Interesting. I wonder if CBT + mushrooms is more effective than either separately.

dTal 5y ago

If you're taking enough mushrooms to "see things from another perspective", that's not microdosing, that's regular dosing.

voski 5y ago
Hmm not sure I agree with you. You can see things from another perspective when you are completely sober...
ajkdhcb2 5y ago
Indeed people tend to define microdosing as a dose without a mind-altering trip. The benefits largely come from the trip itself, rather than the trip being a side-effect, so this could be a fruitless venture. I think it is obviously silly that people expect to be able to divorce the effects from the trip. It is still an extremely interesting question to ask what effects come from small sub-perceptual doses of psychedelics.
- dTal 5y ago
  >The benefits largely come from the trip itself, rather than the trip being a side-effect Well, that hasn't really been scientifically established, has it? It could simply be an illusion - just because I had a transcendental experience, then I woke up the next day feeling amazing, doesn't necessarily mean the transcendental experience caused me to feel amazing. No doubt there is some truth to it, as people report all kinds of life-affirming revelations that persist when sober, but we shouldn't exclude the possibility of psilocybin as a therapeutic drug in the traditional mould. An experiment I would like to see is whether the positive after-effects of a macrodose are still measurable if the subject is unconscious the entire time. Helpfully, this would also blind the study, although a possible confounding factor is that medically rendering someone unconscious has after-effects of its own.

culopatin 5y ago

What you propose doesn’t seem to be microdosing. But it seems like what you’re saying is not so much about the drug but about the opportunity

voski 5y ago
I do understand that they are talking about micro dosing. I suppose I don't really know what the definition of micro dosing is. Is it taking something and not crossing the threshold for it to have any effects? If so what would the point of that be... Is it taking the minimum amount to pass the threshold? I have experienced the effects I talked about above with 300-500 mg doses of raw mushrooms. I don't know the amount of psilocybin... But that is a relatively small dose of mushrooms.
- culopatin 5y ago
  Hey btw sorry I changed my message last minute. I realized I sounded like an asshole so I edited it. I would say microdosing should allow for the placebo to be effective. So yes, no visible effects. However, it doesn’t seem like they succeeded 100% on that.