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Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations

344 points by dzink 5y ago

cu3ba11 5y ago
I somehow managed to get the right-hand side of the equation correct on the first try, which made finding the left-hand side fairly easy. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to try the game out for real.
- mon_ 5y ago
  Click the cog and enable "mini Nerdle" for another (easier) challenge
core-utility 5y ago
I'd be curious to know how success/failure metrics look after a few days of users. How many actually reach success? Edit: I passed, barely.
- benatkin 5y ago
  Did you make any guesses that couldn't possibly be correct given previous feedback? I made one by accident. facepalm On https://jamesl.me/hexle/ https://jamesl.me/hexle/ I made a guess that couldn't possibly be correct on purpose so that I could guess more digits. I've done the same with wordle. It's probably the least useful w/ Nerdle because it's just 9 digits.
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ancode 5y ago
nerdlegame 20 6/6 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ https://nerdlegame.com https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle
- ancode 5y ago
  ok so no emoji in comments I guess
  - kodah 5y ago
    Sir, this is a Wendy's.
    - culi 5y ago
      See also: 418 I'm a teapot
- ask_b123 5y ago
  nerdlegame 20 4/6 ⬛⬛⬛⬛󠀠󠀠 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛󠀠 ⬛⬛⬛󠀠 U+2B1B : BLACK LARGE SQUARE U+1F7EA : LARGE PURPLE SQUARE U+1F7E9 : LARGE GREEN SQUARE
jstx1 5y ago
This is very frustrating. It's like Wordle but without any of the nice or enjoyable elements.
- sxv 5y ago
  I enjoyed it fwiw.
- capitainenemo 5y ago
  What frustrated me was the guessing. By equation 3 I had everything narrowed down except the 1s place in the answer which was same as number in the equation. So, I spent the next 3 guesses trying the remaining digits, and eventually losing with 2 more digits left to try.
  - lalaland1125 5y ago
    The trick is making guesses that you know are incorrect to rule out multiple digits at once.
    - somethingAlex 5y ago
      What do you mean by incorrect? The equation has to be valid, according to the rules. At some point I ended up with 2 + <x> + 8 = 1<y> where x = y because of math. I had 5 guesses left and 8 possibilities. That's just gambling without the money at that point.
      - capitainenemo 5y ago
        I guess he means construct an entirely different equation without using 2, 8 and 1 (you had same issue as me BTW). I don't really enjoy that at all personally, but it is a thing one could do. I don't guess impossible words in Wordle either :)
        somethingAlex 5y ago
        Yeah I feel the same way. I want wordle to be about guessing words, not constructing some max entropy string within the constraints.
culi 5y ago
EDIT: game's over. It's already been done: https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ Is anyone keeping track? So now we have: *wordlists*: - [wordle](https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/ https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/): wordlist picked by creators partner - [byrdle](https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/): wordlist has to do with choral music - [lewdle](https://www.lewdlegame.com https://www.lewdlegame.com): lewd words - [sweardle](https://sweardle.com/ https://sweardle.com/): 4 letter "sweary" words - [plantle](https://plantle.netlify.app/ https://plantle.netlify.app/): herbs/fruit/flora/shrooms/etc - [digitaltolkein](https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-wordle/ https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-wordle/): lotr words - [taylordle](https://www.taylordle.com/ https://www.taylordle.com/): words from taylor swift lyrics *math*: - [primel](https://converged.yt/primel/ https://converged.yt/primel/): 5-digit primes - [nerdle](https://nerdlegame.com/ https://nerdlegame.com/): math equations - [mathler](https://www.mathler.com https://www.mathler.com): math equations - [mathle](https://mathlegame.com/ https://mathlegame.com/): math equations - [hexle](https://jamesl.me/hexle/ https://jamesl.me/hexle/): guess the hexadecimal number - [byrtle](https://jamesl.me/bytle/ https://jamesl.me/bytle/): guess in base-10, but answers/guesses are converted to binary *other*: - [squirdle](https://squirdle.fireblend.com/ https://squirdle.fireblend.com/): pokemon, tells you if you got the right gen, type, weight, etc - [absurdle](https://qntm.org/files/absurdle/absurdle.html https://qntm.org/files/absurdle/absurdle.html): adversarial wordle - [dordle](https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle): 2 words at once - [quordle](https://www.quordle.com/ https://www.quordle.com/): 4 words at once - [wordle](https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/ https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/): countries, correctness based on distance - [letterle](https://edjefferson.com/letterle/ https://edjefferson.com/letterle/): one letter - [squareword](https://squareword.org/ https://squareword.org/): 2 dimensions! languages: - [言葉で遊ぼう](https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/ https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/): kana (Japanese) - [wordle (es)](https://wordle.danielfrg.com/ https://wordle.danielfrg.com/): spanish not wordle: - [three magic words](https://www.threemagicwords.app/ https://www.threemagicwords.app/) --- Edit: added suggestions, categorized them, and added descriptions I guess I'm the one keeping track
- bencollier49 5y ago
  Also Byrdle, for Anglican Choral Music: https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/
lapetitejort 5y ago
I solved it in six using only three unique digits and one unique operator (excluding the required equals of course). I expected it to be more varied and grew more despondent as all of the digits and operators dropped away. Even with the restricted character set I'd expect the operators could produce some varied gameplay, but from the one puzzle I got I'm not too hopeful. Are these hand-designed, or random for each person?
- drivers99 5y ago
  If it's like wordle, then everyone gets the same puzzle on a given day. Your description matches what I played today (and is a partial spoiler; one great thing about wordle is that people have been good about not spoiling it). Tomorrow's may be quite different.
  - lapetitejort 5y ago
    Upon solving, I got a popup saying the next puzzle would be available exactly six hours from then. I suspected that meant that puzzles would be released to me on my schedule, and may or may not be unique.
    - drivers99 5y ago
      After looking at today’s puzzle, I don’t think it’s any more intriguing than yesterday’s after all. I got it on the 3rd guess this time.
kawfey 5y ago
I played it for a while but found myself constantly opening my calculator or counting on my fingers. I failed at 4th grade times tables lol. I could solve it every time, between 4 and 6 tries, but it was just annoying to have to deal with stuff like that, and that it requires specific numbers in spaces...not expressions with the same numbers that evaluate the same e.g. 48/8+3=9 != 3+48/8=9. This game type works so much better with word, at least with my brain.
mspaper 5y ago
You lost, the word was...
evanb 5y ago
nerdlegame 20 3/6 gkmkkgkg ggkgkggg (emojis didn't render right in HN) gggggggg Knowing the answer I then opened a new tab to try something [that I won't detail to minimize spoilers for today's puzzle] and got linked to > >Number ordering and 'commutativity' > > We get it. 1+2 and 2+1 are effectively the same in maths because of a principle called ‘commutativity’. In the same way, 34 = 43. > > However in Nerdle, the only perfectly correct answer is the one we're looking for, in the order we have it. So if our answer contains 1+2, we won’t accept 2+1. > > We've spent hours playing with alternative commutative-friendly rules that would allow both 1+2 and 2+1. But so far, every variant we’ve tried is simply not as fun to play. > > If you feel the commutativity challenge costs you an extra attempt at a Nerdle challenge unfairly, you can always delete one line from your game emojis before you share them. We won’t tell anyone, promise. The same issue afflicts mathle http://mathlegame.com/ http://mathlegame.com/ and I think poses a fundamental issue with this game. In spelling there is a definite order. With commutative mathematical operations, not so. WRODLE!=WORDLE but 1+2+3==2+3+1. They might LOOK like different sentences, but they are not. They are the same. Sure, the glyphs are in different orders, but no aspect of the Platonic sum can distinguish them. They are one.
- jameshart 5y ago
  RAISE and ARISE both mean 'the lift up', but they're different words, and you're not going to win a wordle for 'ARISE' with 'RAISE'. I'm not sure how you would want to win for getting the right number in the wrong place in a game which provides clues to find the right places by telling you when you have the right numbers in the wrong places.
  - evanb 5y ago
    Re RAISE and ARISE: they are not pointers to the same place in wordspace in the same way that 1+2+3 and 2+3+1 are in sumspace. Re your second point: I love wordle. I'd love a game with similar game play that obeyed mathematical principles. It seems that nobody has found the right set of rules yet! That's why I've been trying these once and stopping. I don't find their rules beautiful in the same way that I do wordle's.
tibbar 5y ago
I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle: https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle/ https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle.... TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle pretty consistently.
- pierrebai 5y ago
  That's because there are fewer letters. In wordle, ignoring the fact that the word need to exists, you could make 5 guesses with 5 new letters each time and still not quite exhausting the letter space. With the math one, in two guesses you can figure out the digits. Also, I play wordle in the hardest mode, which forces you to always reuse known letters, which makes it a lot harder. (I also playu in a clone with an extended vocabulary here: https://www.arachnoid.com/wordgame/index.html https://www.arachnoid.com/wordgame/index.html)
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  - dankwizard 5y ago
    weird flex but ok
    - delaaxe 5y ago
      this is not reddit
  - gcanyon 5y ago
    Deduce https://apps.apple.com/us/app/deduce/id351558195 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/deduce/id351558195 is not a wordle clone (it's been around over ten years), and is much harder than wordle. It is iOS only and costs $3.
- nneonneo 5y ago
  You note that the interface accepts a lot more words than are in the dictionary, much like the normal Wordle game. I wonder if you can exploit the full set of acceptable words to narrow down the possibility space even further? I would not be surprised if there's an equation in the full set that performs better than the equation you initially selected.
MaxMoney 5y ago
madacol 5y ago
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- cableshaft 5y ago
  5/6 here too bbpppgbb bpppbgpg pbggbgbg gbggggbb gggggggg
de_keyboard 5y ago
This... doesn't work well. There are too many possible solutions given the clues, making it just luck. Consider: 2 + _ + 8 = 1 _ Now _ could be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0
- lalaland1125 5y ago
  The trick is to rule out as many digits as possible using guesses that you know are wrong. 9 + 4 + 7 = 20 for example is a more efficient guess than naively trying to guess each pair. And there are even better guesses if you just use digits.
  - ilikepi 5y ago
    Yeah, and as with Wordle, I think there is some strategy that can be employed in the first couple guesses to aggressively eliminate digits and operators. Currently I use 3 * 5 + 2 = 17 as my first guess in order to try all the prime digits, 1, and the "easier" operators. There are probably better options though...
    - bee_rider 5y ago
      Interesting. I like "sum of two double digit numbers = double digit number." In Wordle I usually hunt for vowels, which I guess the equivalent thing here would be hunting for operators. But somehow it feels like knocking out digits is more useful here -- I guess because of the increased chance of repetition.
- stared 5y ago
  It is the same thing as with Wordle, when there is only one letter missing and you have to iterate over the possibilities. In words, however, typically there are only 2-3 correct choices.
duck 5y ago
I didn't think this would work... but then I solved it and now I think it could be fun. Looking forward to tomorrow's game!
low_tech_love 5y ago
I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would!
anthk 5y ago
Something like this is better, as the old TV game show https://kitsune.tuxfamily.org/wiki/doku.php?id=homepage https://kitsune.tuxfamily.org/wiki/doku.php?id=homepage
compsciphd 5y ago
I found its 2 easy. my first attempt is always 23+45=68. at that point i covered most of the possible symbols.
kleene_op 5y ago
Wew. That was surprisingly fun! I managed to do it in three guesses, but man was I slow.
joebob42 5y ago
I don't like that it doesn't understand that the equation doesn't change if I move stuff. I had x+y+x=z and it won't accept y+x+x or x+x+y
42jd 5y ago
Seems the strategy is to eliminate as many numbers/operators before you attempt to guess. Was able to get it in 4 as by the second row I had the set of values to work with.
imachine1980_ 5y ago
the game is bad designed ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ i have 2+8+=1 literally won by chance if i decide test 2 before 8 i would lose or worst the game is rig
f0e4c2f7 5y ago
Wow this is really fun! Enjoy your $1M from NYT in a month.
izzydata 5y ago
It looks like they updated it because I used to be able to do 1+-/*23= and it would accept it because it couldn't compute it as incorrect.
nextstep 5y ago
Cool idea. But here’s the first game I played: https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg Perfect example of why this doesn’t really work. I didn’t have enough information to narrow down the possible values that could solve the missing parts of the equation I stumbled on in the remaining tries.
- sebzim4500 5y ago
  Once you have the basic shape you make a guess where you collect as much information as possible. This was my attempt at the same equation https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k
- GlitchMr 5y ago
  You don't have to play hard mode. No need to guess what you deduced already, you can make a guess that doesn't use your previous deductions.
pierrebai 5y ago
I get the same feeling as everyone. There is no point in the game because even a single digit wrong is no clue at all. In my 1st and only attempt, I entered 1 + 2+ 8 = 11 and both pluses, the 2 the 1 and the 8 were right, with only the 2 in the wrong position. And yet that gave zero clue to what the other number was... and it turned out to be another 8, which made finding the solution really luck-based.
- nextstep 5y ago
  Ha! I played the exact same first game! https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg
  - FabHK 5y ago
    ? As in Worldle itself (except in hard mode), you don't need to match what you've deduced already . So, your second line could have been some equation with (most of) the digits 3,4,5,7,9 (and whatever you need to make it an equation). The colour of those then would have told you all you need to know to win.
    - myhf 5y ago
      So it's an interesting distinction that Wordle is generally solvable in "hard mode", but the same constraint makes Nerdle almost impossible.
      - rtpg 5y ago
        Worldle hard mode is solvable but it requires being very careful, and basically never typing in certain words. For example: bills,dills,fills,gills,hills,kills,mills,pills,sills,tills,wills If the answer is any of these words and you guess the wrong words once, you are unable to guarantee a win (outside of hard mode you could try guessing words to eliminate many letters at once) I find that constraint to be roughly, if not more, frustrating than commutativity (which doesn’t even apply to subtraction or division!)
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ankaAr 5y ago
I Will wait for the ndimensionsmatrixle(?
HPsquared 5y ago
I notice it doesn't have a "hard mode" like Wordle, I assume that's just too difficult?
bhelkey 5y ago
I prefer to open with: 2*3+8=14 or 84/7-5=7. I find it tremendous important to find which place the equals sign is in while eliminating operators and digits.
- Kinrany 5y ago
  3*4+-7=5 and 10=8/2+6 cover everything but 9.
  - bhelkey 5y ago
    Ooh, that is good. I figured that +- would be invalid but nerdle accepts it.
  - aardvark179 5y ago
    9 * 6 - 3 = 51 and 28 / 4 + 0 = 7 will cover everything and allow you to determine the = position.
    - bhelkey 5y ago
      That is fantastic, kudos to you for finding a way to cover those extra two digits. I am going to use this opener.
csimon80 5y ago
that was fun!
scythmic_waves 5y ago
Well that was frustrating [1]. I know I should have guessed a different equation but I was like "there's no way I won't get it"... [1] https://imgur.com/a/AclSjx8 https://imgur.com/a/AclSjx8
jdorsey1 5y ago
got it at the third attempt.
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wolverine876 5y ago
Division is a bit limited without a decimal point.
windows2020 5y ago
Any number can be padded with 0s.
alistairSH 5y ago
Is the UI really slow to react for anybody else? Button clicks have a noticeable lag for me on Safari on iOS. I get the same thing on some other Wordle clones and archives, but not the main Wordle site.
leepowers 5y ago
On Firefox 97.0 (64-bit) macOS 10.15.7 (19H2) - pressing "/" opens up "Quick Find"
est 5y ago
Gosh I thought it was going to be some hardass PDE questions.
pimlottc 5y ago
This is fun but the different colors (or rather, lack of color) are way too subtle for me. It takes me conscious effort to distinguish "correct-character-wrong-position" from "correct-character-correct-position". It probably also doesn't help that I'm seeing also seeing tons of phantom dots from the grid illusion [0]... 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion
aunglaungmyat 5y ago
arez 5y ago
you should do an app and just give me random puzzles not only everyday, it's really fun
alexdrue 5y ago
I don't get the game, is there something lacking in which you need to explain to us properly?

344 points by dzink 5y ago

I somehow managed to get the right-hand side of the equation correct on the first try, which made finding the left-hand side fairly easy. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to try the game out for real.

mon_ 5y ago
Click the cog and enable "mini Nerdle" for another (easier) challenge

core-utility 5y ago

I'd be curious to know how success/failure metrics look after a few days of users. How many actually reach success? Edit: I passed, barely.

benatkin 5y ago
Did you make any guesses that couldn't possibly be correct given previous feedback? I made one by accident. facepalm On https://jamesl.me/hexle/ https://jamesl.me/hexle/ I made a guess that couldn't possibly be correct on purpose so that I could guess more digits. I've done the same with wordle. It's probably the least useful w/ Nerdle because it's just 9 digits.

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ancode 5y ago

nerdlegame 20 6/6 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ https://nerdlegame.com https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle

ancode 5y ago
ok so no emoji in comments I guess
- kodah 5y ago
  Sir, this is a Wendy's.
  - culi 5y ago
    See also: 418 I'm a teapot
ask_b123 5y ago
nerdlegame 20 4/6 ⬛⬛⬛⬛󠀠󠀠 ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛󠀠 ⬛⬛⬛󠀠 U+2B1B : BLACK LARGE SQUARE U+1F7EA : LARGE PURPLE SQUARE U+1F7E9 : LARGE GREEN SQUARE

jstx1 5y ago

This is very frustrating. It's like Wordle but without any of the nice or enjoyable elements.

sxv 5y ago
I enjoyed it fwiw.
capitainenemo 5y ago
What frustrated me was the guessing. By equation 3 I had everything narrowed down except the 1s place in the answer which was same as number in the equation. So, I spent the next 3 guesses trying the remaining digits, and eventually losing with 2 more digits left to try.
- lalaland1125 5y ago
  The trick is making guesses that you know are incorrect to rule out multiple digits at once.
  - somethingAlex 5y ago
    What do you mean by incorrect? The equation has to be valid, according to the rules. At some point I ended up with 2 + <x> + 8 = 1<y> where x = y because of math. I had 5 guesses left and 8 possibilities. That's just gambling without the money at that point.
    - capitainenemo 5y ago
      I guess he means construct an entirely different equation without using 2, 8 and 1 (you had same issue as me BTW). I don't really enjoy that at all personally, but it is a thing one could do. I don't guess impossible words in Wordle either :)
      - somethingAlex 5y ago
        Yeah I feel the same way. I want wordle to be about guessing words, not constructing some max entropy string within the constraints.

culi 5y ago

EDIT: game's over. It's already been done: https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/ Is anyone keeping track? So now we have: *wordlists*: - [wordle](https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/ https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/): wordlist picked by creators partner - [byrdle](https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/): wordlist has to do with choral music - [lewdle](https://www.lewdlegame.com https://www.lewdlegame.com): lewd words - [sweardle](https://sweardle.com/ https://sweardle.com/): 4 letter "sweary" words - [plantle](https://plantle.netlify.app/ https://plantle.netlify.app/): herbs/fruit/flora/shrooms/etc - [digitaltolkein](https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-wordle/ https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-wordle/): lotr words - [taylordle](https://www.taylordle.com/ https://www.taylordle.com/): words from taylor swift lyrics *math*: - [primel](https://converged.yt/primel/ https://converged.yt/primel/): 5-digit primes - [nerdle](https://nerdlegame.com/ https://nerdlegame.com/): math equations - [mathler](https://www.mathler.com https://www.mathler.com): math equations - [mathle](https://mathlegame.com/ https://mathlegame.com/): math equations - [hexle](https://jamesl.me/hexle/ https://jamesl.me/hexle/): guess the hexadecimal number - [byrtle](https://jamesl.me/bytle/ https://jamesl.me/bytle/): guess in base-10, but answers/guesses are converted to binary *other*: - [squirdle](https://squirdle.fireblend.com/ https://squirdle.fireblend.com/): pokemon, tells you if you got the right gen, type, weight, etc - [absurdle](https://qntm.org/files/absurdle/absurdle.html https://qntm.org/files/absurdle/absurdle.html): adversarial wordle - [dordle](https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle): 2 words at once - [quordle](https://www.quordle.com/ https://www.quordle.com/): 4 words at once - [wordle](https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/ https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/): countries, correctness based on distance - [letterle](https://edjefferson.com/letterle/ https://edjefferson.com/letterle/): one letter - [squareword](https://squareword.org/ https://squareword.org/): 2 dimensions! languages: - [言葉で遊ぼう](https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/ https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/): kana (Japanese) - [wordle (es)](https://wordle.danielfrg.com/ https://wordle.danielfrg.com/): spanish not wordle: - [three magic words](https://www.threemagicwords.app/ https://www.threemagicwords.app/) --- Edit: added suggestions, categorized them, and added descriptions I guess I'm the one keeping track

bencollier49 5y ago
Also Byrdle, for Anglican Choral Music: https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/ https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/

lapetitejort 5y ago

I solved it in six using only three unique digits and one unique operator (excluding the required equals of course). I expected it to be more varied and grew more despondent as all of the digits and operators dropped away. Even with the restricted character set I'd expect the operators could produce some varied gameplay, but from the one puzzle I got I'm not too hopeful. Are these hand-designed, or random for each person?

drivers99 5y ago
If it's like wordle, then everyone gets the same puzzle on a given day. Your description matches what I played today (and is a partial spoiler; one great thing about wordle is that people have been good about not spoiling it). Tomorrow's may be quite different.
- lapetitejort 5y ago
  Upon solving, I got a popup saying the next puzzle would be available exactly six hours from then. I suspected that meant that puzzles would be released to me on my schedule, and may or may not be unique.
  - drivers99 5y ago
    After looking at today’s puzzle, I don’t think it’s any more intriguing than yesterday’s after all. I got it on the 3rd guess this time.

kawfey 5y ago

I played it for a while but found myself constantly opening my calculator or counting on my fingers. I failed at 4th grade times tables lol. I could solve it every time, between 4 and 6 tries, but it was just annoying to have to deal with stuff like that, and that it requires specific numbers in spaces...not expressions with the same numbers that evaluate the same e.g. 48/8+3=9 != 3+48/8=9. This game type works so much better with word, at least with my brain.

mspaper 5y ago

You lost, the word was...

evanb 5y ago

nerdlegame 20 3/6 gkmkkgkg ggkgkggg (emojis didn't render right in HN) gggggggg Knowing the answer I then opened a new tab to try something [that I won't detail to minimize spoilers for today's puzzle] and got linked to > >Number ordering and 'commutativity' > > We get it. 1+2 and 2+1 are effectively the same in maths because of a principle called ‘commutativity’. In the same way, 34 = 43. > > However in Nerdle, the only perfectly correct answer is the one we're looking for, in the order we have it. So if our answer contains 1+2, we won’t accept 2+1. > > We've spent hours playing with alternative commutative-friendly rules that would allow both 1+2 and 2+1. But so far, every variant we’ve tried is simply not as fun to play. > > If you feel the commutativity challenge costs you an extra attempt at a Nerdle challenge unfairly, you can always delete one line from your game emojis before you share them. We won’t tell anyone, promise. The same issue afflicts mathle http://mathlegame.com/ http://mathlegame.com/ and I think poses a fundamental issue with this game. In spelling there is a definite order. With commutative mathematical operations, not so. WRODLE!=WORDLE but 1+2+3==2+3+1. They might LOOK like different sentences, but they are not. They are the same. Sure, the glyphs are in different orders, but no aspect of the Platonic sum can distinguish them. They are one.

jameshart 5y ago
RAISE and ARISE both mean 'the lift up', but they're different words, and you're not going to win a wordle for 'ARISE' with 'RAISE'. I'm not sure how you would want to win for getting the right number in the wrong place in a game which provides clues to find the right places by telling you when you have the right numbers in the wrong places.
- evanb 5y ago
  Re RAISE and ARISE: they are not pointers to the same place in wordspace in the same way that 1+2+3 and 2+3+1 are in sumspace. Re your second point: I love wordle. I'd love a game with similar game play that obeyed mathematical principles. It seems that nobody has found the right set of rules yet! That's why I've been trying these once and stopping. I don't find their rules beautiful in the same way that I do wordle's.

tibbar 5y ago

I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle: https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle/ https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle.... TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle pretty consistently.

pierrebai 5y ago
That's because there are fewer letters. In wordle, ignoring the fact that the word need to exists, you could make 5 guesses with 5 new letters each time and still not quite exhausting the letter space. With the math one, in two guesses you can figure out the digits. Also, I play wordle in the hardest mode, which forces you to always reuse known letters, which makes it a lot harder. (I also playu in a clone with an extended vocabulary here: https://www.arachnoid.com/wordgame/index.html https://www.arachnoid.com/wordgame/index.html)
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- dankwizard 5y ago
  weird flex but ok
  - delaaxe 5y ago
    this is not reddit
- gcanyon 5y ago
  Deduce https://apps.apple.com/us/app/deduce/id351558195 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/deduce/id351558195 is not a wordle clone (it's been around over ten years), and is much harder than wordle. It is iOS only and costs $3.
nneonneo 5y ago
You note that the interface accepts a lot more words than are in the dictionary, much like the normal Wordle game. I wonder if you can exploit the full set of acceptable words to narrow down the possibility space even further? I would not be surprised if there's an equation in the full set that performs better than the equation you initially selected.

MaxMoney 5y ago

madacol 5y ago

nerdlegame 20 5/6 ⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛ https://nerdlegame.com https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle

cableshaft 5y ago
5/6 here too bbpppgbb bpppbgpg pbggbgbg gbggggbb gggggggg

de_keyboard 5y ago

This... doesn't work well. There are too many possible solutions given the clues, making it just luck. Consider: 2 + _ + 8 = 1 _ Now _ could be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0

lalaland1125 5y ago
The trick is to rule out as many digits as possible using guesses that you know are wrong. 9 + 4 + 7 = 20 for example is a more efficient guess than naively trying to guess each pair. And there are even better guesses if you just use digits.
- ilikepi 5y ago
  Yeah, and as with Wordle, I think there is some strategy that can be employed in the first couple guesses to aggressively eliminate digits and operators. Currently I use 3 * 5 + 2 = 17 as my first guess in order to try all the prime digits, 1, and the "easier" operators. There are probably better options though...
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    Interesting. I like "sum of two double digit numbers = double digit number." In Wordle I usually hunt for vowels, which I guess the equivalent thing here would be hunting for operators. But somehow it feels like knocking out digits is more useful here -- I guess because of the increased chance of repetition.
stared 5y ago
It is the same thing as with Wordle, when there is only one letter missing and you have to iterate over the possibilities. In words, however, typically there are only 2-3 correct choices.

duck 5y ago

I didn't think this would work... but then I solved it and now I think it could be fun. Looking forward to tomorrow's game!

low_tech_love 5y ago

I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would!

anthk 5y ago

Something like this is better, as the old TV game show https://kitsune.tuxfamily.org/wiki/doku.php?id=homepage https://kitsune.tuxfamily.org/wiki/doku.php?id=homepage

compsciphd 5y ago

I found its 2 easy. my first attempt is always 23+45=68. at that point i covered most of the possible symbols.

kleene_op 5y ago

Wew. That was surprisingly fun! I managed to do it in three guesses, but man was I slow.

joebob42 5y ago

I don't like that it doesn't understand that the equation doesn't change if I move stuff. I had x+y+x=z and it won't accept y+x+x or x+x+y

42jd 5y ago

Seems the strategy is to eliminate as many numbers/operators before you attempt to guess. Was able to get it in 4 as by the second row I had the set of values to work with.

imachine1980_ 5y ago

the game is bad designed ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ ⬛⬛ i have 2+8+=1 literally won by chance if i decide test 2 before 8 i would lose or worst the game is rig

f0e4c2f7 5y ago

Wow this is really fun! Enjoy your $1M from NYT in a month.

izzydata 5y ago

It looks like they updated it because I used to be able to do 1+-/*23= and it would accept it because it couldn't compute it as incorrect.

nextstep 5y ago

Cool idea. But here’s the first game I played: https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg Perfect example of why this doesn’t really work. I didn’t have enough information to narrow down the possible values that could solve the missing parts of the equation I stumbled on in the remaining tries.

sebzim4500 5y ago
Once you have the basic shape you make a guess where you collect as much information as possible. This was my attempt at the same equation https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k
GlitchMr 5y ago
You don't have to play hard mode. No need to guess what you deduced already, you can make a guess that doesn't use your previous deductions.

pierrebai 5y ago

I get the same feeling as everyone. There is no point in the game because even a single digit wrong is no clue at all. In my 1st and only attempt, I entered 1 + 2+ 8 = 11 and both pluses, the 2 the 1 and the 8 were right, with only the 2 in the wrong position. And yet that gave zero clue to what the other number was... and it turned out to be another 8, which made finding the solution really luck-based.

nextstep 5y ago
Ha! I played the exact same first game! https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg
- FabHK 5y ago
  ? As in Worldle itself (except in hard mode), you don't need to match what you've deduced already . So, your second line could have been some equation with (most of) the digits 3,4,5,7,9 (and whatever you need to make it an equation). The colour of those then would have told you all you need to know to win.
  - myhf 5y ago
    So it's an interesting distinction that Wordle is generally solvable in "hard mode", but the same constraint makes Nerdle almost impossible.
    - rtpg 5y ago
      Worldle hard mode is solvable but it requires being very careful, and basically never typing in certain words. For example: bills,dills,fills,gills,hills,kills,mills,pills,sills,tills,wills If the answer is any of these words and you guess the wrong words once, you are unable to guarantee a win (outside of hard mode you could try guessing words to eliminate many letters at once) I find that constraint to be roughly, if not more, frustrating than commutativity (which doesn’t even apply to subtraction or division!)
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ankaAr 5y ago

I Will wait for the ndimensionsmatrixle(?

HPsquared 5y ago

I notice it doesn't have a "hard mode" like Wordle, I assume that's just too difficult?

bhelkey 5y ago

I prefer to open with: 2*3+8=14 or 84/7-5=7. I find it tremendous important to find which place the equals sign is in while eliminating operators and digits.

Kinrany 5y ago
3*4+-7=5 and 10=8/2+6 cover everything but 9.
- bhelkey 5y ago
  Ooh, that is good. I figured that +- would be invalid but nerdle accepts it.
- aardvark179 5y ago
  9 * 6 - 3 = 51 and 28 / 4 + 0 = 7 will cover everything and allow you to determine the = position.
  - bhelkey 5y ago
    That is fantastic, kudos to you for finding a way to cover those extra two digits. I am going to use this opener.

csimon80 5y ago

that was fun!

scythmic_waves 5y ago

Well that was frustrating [1]. I know I should have guessed a different equation but I was like "there's no way I won't get it"... [1] https://imgur.com/a/AclSjx8 https://imgur.com/a/AclSjx8

jdorsey1 5y ago

got it at the third attempt.

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wolverine876 5y ago

Division is a bit limited without a decimal point.

windows2020 5y ago

Any number can be padded with 0s.

alistairSH 5y ago

Is the UI really slow to react for anybody else? Button clicks have a noticeable lag for me on Safari on iOS. I get the same thing on some other Wordle clones and archives, but not the main Wordle site.

leepowers 5y ago

On Firefox 97.0 (64-bit) macOS 10.15.7 (19H2) - pressing "/" opens up "Quick Find"

est 5y ago

Gosh I thought it was going to be some hardass PDE questions.

pimlottc 5y ago

This is fun but the different colors (or rather, lack of color) are way too subtle for me. It takes me conscious effort to distinguish "correct-character-wrong-position" from "correct-character-correct-position". It probably also doesn't help that I'm seeing also seeing tons of phantom dots from the grid illusion [0]... 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion

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arez 5y ago

you should do an app and just give me random puzzles not only everyday, it's really fun

alexdrue 5y ago

I don't get the game, is there something lacking in which you need to explain to us properly?