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> how do I know that isn't their personal phone? Why would that be a concern to you? Either way you pay, get receipt, take your goods, and leave. It's not lik

> how do I know that isn't their personal phone? Why would that be a concern to you? Either way you pay, get receipt, take your goods, and leave. It's not like you are stealing. Are you worried the clerk would MITM your payment and leave you without normal return/refund policy, since it wasn't a legit transaction?

duxup 5y ago
I'm less concerned about anything complex and more about just paying the right folks.
- tantalor 5y ago
  That's literally the job of the clerk, not you.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    As someone who lives in a society, I'd say it's both the store and the customer's job to make sure the right people get paid.
    - tantalor 5y ago
      The clerk is the store. Your obligation ends when the clerk has the money.
      - jedberg 5y ago
        But how do you know the clerk works for the store? You don’t feel at all obligated to make sure they are actually the store?
        jhatax 5y ago
        From the way you are describing this, you seem distrustful of someone who walks up to you with a device, scans a barcode, shows you the price of said item which matches the tag in your hand, prints a receipt, accepts a tap as payment, let's you walk away with said item. This flow summarizes almost every transaction I have had at Banana Republic, Gap, and the Apple Store, to name a few retailers. I have not had reason to distrust the clerk, disheveled or otherwise. Once I receive a notification from my credit card that an entity with the same name as the store has posted a transaction to my card, I walk out the door with my purchase. I have not once thought (or cared) about the store receiving the money once I am out the door. What's the reason for the distrust?
        jedberg 5y ago
        My default is to distrust someone with nothing but what looks like a personal phone, until I'm sufficiently convinced that they are in fact who they say they are. In every experience you describe, the device they use is not just a standard iPhone. It usually has a special case with a card scanner and reciept printer for starters. At the Apple store they wear apple badges and have branded clothing. I haven't been to the Gap in a long time, but I'm guessing they have some sort of way of identifying themselves. You even said yourself you wait for the notification that you were charged by the right entity name, which is another clue that you made a legit purchase. I have no problem making my purchase from someone with nothing more than an iPhone, as long as there are other clues that they actually work there. But I do feel it is my responsibility as a member of society to at least attempt to verify their veracity.
        tantalor 5y ago
        I love the idea of some scammer setting up a fake POS in a store and checking out customers. They would probably try to blend in with the real staff and use legit looking gear. - Our inventory system went down so I have to type in your total - All set, it just automatically e-mails you the receipt - (Who are you?) Corporate sent me, I'm in a different store everyday This has probably been done before.
jedberg 5y ago
If a random disheveled looking person comes up to you in the middle of a store and says "I can take your cash and give you a receipt", and they they show you a legit looking receipt, do you feel that it would be ok to give them money and take the receipt? Sure, it's the store's job to make sure people aren't impersonating their employees and stealing their receipt papers, so that's on them right?
- syspec 5y ago
  That's exactly what they do at the Apple store, and they don't seem to be hurting for business
  - jedberg 5y ago
    I never said the would be hurting for business, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. That being said, the Apple store has security guards up front and it's generally a pretty small space where someone faking it would be noticed.
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duxup 5y ago

I'm less concerned about anything complex and more about just paying the right folks.

tantalor 5y ago
That's literally the job of the clerk, not you.
- jedberg 5y ago
  As someone who lives in a society, I'd say it's both the store and the customer's job to make sure the right people get paid.
  - tantalor 5y ago
    The clerk is the store. Your obligation ends when the clerk has the money.
    - jedberg 5y ago
      But how do you know the clerk works for the store? You don’t feel at all obligated to make sure they are actually the store?
      - jhatax 5y ago
        From the way you are describing this, you seem distrustful of someone who walks up to you with a device, scans a barcode, shows you the price of said item which matches the tag in your hand, prints a receipt, accepts a tap as payment, let's you walk away with said item. This flow summarizes almost every transaction I have had at Banana Republic, Gap, and the Apple Store, to name a few retailers. I have not had reason to distrust the clerk, disheveled or otherwise. Once I receive a notification from my credit card that an entity with the same name as the store has posted a transaction to my card, I walk out the door with my purchase. I have not once thought (or cared) about the store receiving the money once I am out the door. What's the reason for the distrust?
        jedberg 5y ago
        My default is to distrust someone with nothing but what looks like a personal phone, until I'm sufficiently convinced that they are in fact who they say they are. In every experience you describe, the device they use is not just a standard iPhone. It usually has a special case with a card scanner and reciept printer for starters. At the Apple store they wear apple badges and have branded clothing. I haven't been to the Gap in a long time, but I'm guessing they have some sort of way of identifying themselves. You even said yourself you wait for the notification that you were charged by the right entity name, which is another clue that you made a legit purchase. I have no problem making my purchase from someone with nothing more than an iPhone, as long as there are other clues that they actually work there. But I do feel it is my responsibility as a member of society to at least attempt to verify their veracity.
        tantalor 5y ago
        I love the idea of some scammer setting up a fake POS in a store and checking out customers. They would probably try to blend in with the real staff and use legit looking gear. - Our inventory system went down so I have to type in your total - All set, it just automatically e-mails you the receipt - (Who are you?) Corporate sent me, I'm in a different store everyday This has probably been done before.

jedberg 5y ago

If a random disheveled looking person comes up to you in the middle of a store and says "I can take your cash and give you a receipt", and they they show you a legit looking receipt, do you feel that it would be ok to give them money and take the receipt? Sure, it's the store's job to make sure people aren't impersonating their employees and stealing their receipt papers, so that's on them right?

syspec 5y ago
That's exactly what they do at the Apple store, and they don't seem to be hurting for business
- jedberg 5y ago
  I never said the would be hurting for business, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. That being said, the Apple store has security guards up front and it's generally a pretty small space where someone faking it would be noticed.
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