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From the article: > Internally, Tesla employees said that adding “level 3” functionality, which would allow a driver to use their Tesla hands-free without stee

From the article: > Internally, Tesla employees said that adding “level 3” functionality, which would allow a driver to use their Tesla hands-free without steering in normal driving scenarios, would need the dual electronic control unit system and therefore require a retrofit at a service visit. How many of these customers are expecting to simply update their car to FSD over the air? I agree, other manufacturers would not have the responsibility. But one of the main selling points of Tesla has been that, one day, your car will drive itself if you choose to buy $X upgrade with the heavy implication of over the air. Edit: Consider this, in the future, when people go to sell their cars, potential buyers will ask "does this car have the dual ECU?" for the sole reason of inquiring if they need to go to get the car serviced for FSD. If you don't think this makes Tesla bound to inform their customers that their car will obviously be impacted on resale and allow them to back out of the purchase, I don't think we will ever see eye to eye.

darkwater 5y ago
> How many of these customers are expecting to simply update their car to FSD over the air? I agree, other manufacturers would not have the responsibility. But one of the main selling points of Tesla has been that, one day, your car will drive itself if you choose to buy $X upgrade with the heavy implication of over the air. I understand your point but it would be just as simple as that, when you purchase FSD, you are notified that you have to go to the nearest Tesla service to get it, at no extra cost (well, beside the FSD cost obviously). It's an annoyance, sure, but not a big deal.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  "The car contains all the equipment necessary for FSD." "... except the parts that you'll need to go book a service appointment to have installed at a later date."
optimiz3 5y ago
> How many of these customers are expecting to simply update their car to FSD over the air? Probably not many since the market is China where FSD is not currently offered.
- hervature 5y ago
  From the article: > Tesla did not disclose the exclusion, which has already affected tens of thousands of vehicles being shipped to customers in China, Australia, the U.K., Germany and other parts of Europe. Do you honestly think that cars produced in a country stay in that country?
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    Most of them will, and the odds of FSD coming to Europe are zero to none. The EU has already been putting rules out on the topic of FSD, and honestly I doubt Teslas will meet the bar, with or without dual steering systems. I agree that Tesla are lying about the idea their cars have all the hardware needed for FSD. But that was true (at least in EU cars) before this change.

darkwater 5y ago

> How many of these customers are expecting to simply update their car to FSD over the air? I agree, other manufacturers would not have the responsibility. But one of the main selling points of Tesla has been that, one day, your car will drive itself if you choose to buy $X upgrade with the heavy implication of over the air. I understand your point but it would be just as simple as that, when you purchase FSD, you are notified that you have to go to the nearest Tesla service to get it, at no extra cost (well, beside the FSD cost obviously). It's an annoyance, sure, but not a big deal.

FireBeyond 5y ago
"The car contains all the equipment necessary for FSD." "... except the parts that you'll need to go book a service appointment to have installed at a later date."

optimiz3 5y ago

> How many of these customers are expecting to simply update their car to FSD over the air? Probably not many since the market is China where FSD is not currently offered.

hervature 5y ago
From the article: > Tesla did not disclose the exclusion, which has already affected tens of thousands of vehicles being shipped to customers in China, Australia, the U.K., Germany and other parts of Europe. Do you honestly think that cars produced in a country stay in that country?
- avianlyric 5y ago
  Most of them will, and the odds of FSD coming to Europe are zero to none. The EU has already been putting rules out on the topic of FSD, and honestly I doubt Teslas will meet the bar, with or without dual steering systems. I agree that Tesla are lying about the idea their cars have all the hardware needed for FSD. But that was true (at least in EU cars) before this change.