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Let's assume porn websites implement this as required (fat chance). You'd be daft to enter your CC that associates you by name, home address, phone number and p

Let's assume porn websites implement this as required (fat chance). You'd be daft to enter your CC that associates you by name, home address, phone number and purchases to the porn videos that you'd look at. Who comes up with this stuff? Zeroknowledge proof based age verification service when?

consumer451 5y ago
I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? I just assumed there were, available to any very motivated party. And how effective and wide spread is browser fingerprinting to de-anon someone?
- kuschkufan 5y ago
  Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all".
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  - consumer451 5y ago
    > Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all". How did kuschkufan manage to put those words into my mouth? Really, how did you get that from what I said? I was just pointing out that it might not take a credit card to ID you. And I really don’t know what datasets are out there, but I assume the worst.
- nybble41 5y ago
  > I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? Sure, and they're built using data collected from shady sites which ask for personal information such as CC details under dubious pretenses (like age verification) and associate it with the visitor's IP address. These de-anonymizing datasets exist because of poorly considered policies exactly like the one being discussed here.
  - consumer451 5y ago
    Thanks. Yeah, uploading PII to a something like a porn site seems crazy to me, but the industry seems to make a lot of money via card charges so maybe I am in the minority. I also want to make clear I was not endorsing the policy outlined in OP. Just curious.
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claudiawerner 5y ago
The article is also light on what this actually means for sites not even hosted in the UK. I assume that eventually sites like PornHub will be blocked entirely, for everyone, unless they comply with adding these checks. Very, very few porn sites anyone actually uses are hosted in the UK and therefore very few must obey UK law on what they host and to whom they show it. But they can be pressured into it, I imagine.
vidarh 5y ago
My guess would be that a whole lot of porn companies would love if this was required, because it'd mean conditioning people to enter card details far more places, and would potentially allow for far easier upsells if people have already accepted they have no other way in than giving a card. We've already been down this route in the past with "Adult Verification Services" after the Communications Decency Act 1996, when it quickly was turned into a monetisation mechanism for porn sites. E.g. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Check (One might think the UK government would have someone sufficiently aware of history to realise how spectacularly that failed to stop access to porn for minors, but it seems not) EDIT: Also, last time this specific UK attempt came out, MindGeek, the company which owns Pornhub, was one of the company vying to handle the then-proposed identity checking mechanism.

consumer451 5y ago

I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? I just assumed there were, available to any very motivated party. And how effective and wide spread is browser fingerprinting to de-anon someone?

kuschkufan 5y ago
Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all".
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- consumer451 5y ago
  > Consumer451 seems to be insuating that age verification by CC for porn might be okay? Since your privacy online is lost anyhow? While stating "he doesn't know ... at all". How did kuschkufan manage to put those words into my mouth? Really, how did you get that from what I said? I was just pointing out that it might not take a credit card to ID you. And I really don’t know what datasets are out there, but I assume the worst.
nybble41 5y ago
> I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? Sure, and they're built using data collected from shady sites which ask for personal information such as CC details under dubious pretenses (like age verification) and associate it with the visitor's IP address. These de-anonymizing datasets exist because of poorly considered policies exactly like the one being discussed here.
- consumer451 5y ago
  Thanks. Yeah, uploading PII to a something like a porn site seems crazy to me, but the industry seems to make a lot of money via card charges so maybe I am in the minority. I also want to make clear I was not endorsing the policy outlined in OP. Just curious.

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claudiawerner 5y ago

The article is also light on what this actually means for sites not even hosted in the UK. I assume that eventually sites like PornHub will be blocked entirely, for everyone, unless they comply with adding these checks. Very, very few porn sites anyone actually uses are hosted in the UK and therefore very few must obey UK law on what they host and to whom they show it. But they can be pressured into it, I imagine.

vidarh 5y ago

My guess would be that a whole lot of porn companies would love if this was required, because it'd mean conditioning people to enter card details far more places, and would potentially allow for far easier upsells if people have already accepted they have no other way in than giving a card. We've already been down this route in the past with "Adult Verification Services" after the Communications Decency Act 1996, when it quickly was turned into a monetisation mechanism for porn sites. E.g. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Check (One might think the UK government would have someone sufficiently aware of history to realise how spectacularly that failed to stop access to porn for minors, but it seems not) EDIT: Also, last time this specific UK attempt came out, MindGeek, the company which owns Pornhub, was one of the company vying to handle the then-proposed identity checking mechanism.