I did a lot of development with Java in those days and virtually every Java package that mattered was a library, not a framework, and if anything the reason eve

I did a lot of development with Java in those days and virtually every Java package that mattered was a library, not a framework, and if anything the reason everything was so complex was because it was so configurable and pluggable, making it easy to use that with this and a little of something else without having to decide on a "framework".