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Anything can be construed to be a safety issue. Spotify has no responsibility. It’s a dumb pipe and people can make up their own mind as to what to do with info

Anything can be construed to be a safety issue. Spotify has no responsibility. It’s a dumb pipe and people can make up their own mind as to what to do with information they receive from content creators. If you think exchanging information is dangerous to the point that it requires censorship, then you’re arguing for authoritarianism and tyranny.

liamwestray 5y ago
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- sshine 5y ago
  There is absolutely no need for name-calling.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  To me, Spotify is a dumb pipe connecting listeners to content they want to hear. I use the phrase “dumb pipe” because the users don’t care about much of their features beyond that aspect (and there really aren’t many features). The libraries of alternative services also mostly overlap. Additionally, marginal attempts at exclusivity or editorialized content don’t change what they materially are, just like a telecom utility adding content businesses (like Verizon and Oath) doesn’t get to escape their status as a common carrier utility service. I also didn’t ask that Neil Young be denied his first amendment rights, so you’re attacking a straw man. But I did point out that he is abusing his power (of celebrity) to try and silence political adversaries. Censorship is censorship. It doesn’t matter if it is brought on by the government or individuals with power or masses with collective power. As for your patronizing tone telling me what to read - I’ve actually read some of those things you listed, for what it’s worth. Signed, a nitwit.
  - dang 5y ago
    Would you please stop perpetuating flamewars on HN? You've been doing it a lot lately—enough that I'm starting to wince when I see your username. It's not what this site is for, and it evokes worse from others, and you're responsible for provoking that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I took a closer look and saw that you've clearly been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against—it's in fact the worst thing you can contribute to destroying this place for its intended purpose. Here are links to many past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Since we've asked you many times to use HN as intended and you've continued not to, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  Resorting to ad hominem attacks on HN? Given the wealth of reading you signal you've done, you'd do well to start with the Hacker News Guidelines before commenting further [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  You can't post personal attacks like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. Perhaps you don't feel you owe people you disagree with better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it—much better. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - liamwestray 5y ago
    Apologies. Won't happen again. Appreciate the reasonable moderation here.
falcolas 5y ago
> It’s a dumb pipe A dumb pipe doesn't pay to host exclusive content. Joe Rogan is Spotify's business partner, and his reputation will, accordingly, have impact on Spotify's reputation.
scrubs 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  You can't post personal attacks like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. Perhaps you don't feel you owe people you disagree with better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it—much better. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - scrubs 5y ago
    Noted; I can read a link. And, for the record, please set out here in detail how you became aware of something you felt needed above? Second, who is @dang; a subscriber or admin for HN? Please state role.
    - dang 5y ago
      I'm a moderator here. Sorry that wasn't clear.
      - scrubs 5y ago
        Acknowledged - moderator. You did not yet make clear however, how you became aware of this issue. I think that deserves a mention; nice to have not required. I can put 2+2 together either way. Now as my part here, and to conclude. I lost the moral high ground by name calling. It weakened my position. It was an unforced error; nobody to blame but myself. So please accept my apologies. I'll redouble my efforts: - Professional managers know how products, services, and assets the company own or run relate to top, bottom line. Managers also know that assets don't run the company nor do they have a profit motive or pay taxes. Assets do not make meaning. People do. And in particular those who have choice which arises out control usually through seniority, ownership, but also common sense are charged with staying on the right side public health. Anything less is a problem. Spotify seems to know that, so good for them. - Relegating Spotify as a dumb pipe reminds me of a person I knew several years ago was wont to say: "I don't talk ``X"; I just do technical." X was politics/management and related issues. This isn't the time or place to unpack this more. But there is a strong sense of a willful disassociation a distortion really between tech and the environment in which tech is used to the good or bad. I also think that's a problem. @throwawaysea This reply in context to your original post above is ... well ... is a mixed blessing too. Cheers!

liamwestray 5y ago

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sshine 5y ago
There is absolutely no need for name-calling.
throwawaysea 5y ago
To me, Spotify is a dumb pipe connecting listeners to content they want to hear. I use the phrase “dumb pipe” because the users don’t care about much of their features beyond that aspect (and there really aren’t many features). The libraries of alternative services also mostly overlap. Additionally, marginal attempts at exclusivity or editorialized content don’t change what they materially are, just like a telecom utility adding content businesses (like Verizon and Oath) doesn’t get to escape their status as a common carrier utility service. I also didn’t ask that Neil Young be denied his first amendment rights, so you’re attacking a straw man. But I did point out that he is abusing his power (of celebrity) to try and silence political adversaries. Censorship is censorship. It doesn’t matter if it is brought on by the government or individuals with power or masses with collective power. As for your patronizing tone telling me what to read - I’ve actually read some of those things you listed, for what it’s worth. Signed, a nitwit.
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop perpetuating flamewars on HN? You've been doing it a lot lately—enough that I'm starting to wince when I see your username. It's not what this site is for, and it evokes worse from others, and you're responsible for provoking that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I took a closer look and saw that you've clearly been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against—it's in fact the worst thing you can contribute to destroying this place for its intended purpose. Here are links to many past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Since we've asked you many times to use HN as intended and you've continued not to, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
emptysongglass 5y ago
Resorting to ad hominem attacks on HN? Given the wealth of reading you signal you've done, you'd do well to start with the Hacker News Guidelines before commenting further [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
You can't post personal attacks like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. Perhaps you don't feel you owe people you disagree with better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it—much better. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- liamwestray 5y ago
  Apologies. Won't happen again. Appreciate the reasonable moderation here.

falcolas 5y ago

> It’s a dumb pipe A dumb pipe doesn't pay to host exclusive content. Joe Rogan is Spotify's business partner, and his reputation will, accordingly, have impact on Spotify's reputation.

scrubs 5y ago

dang 5y ago
You can't post personal attacks like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. Perhaps you don't feel you owe people you disagree with better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it—much better. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- scrubs 5y ago
  Noted; I can read a link. And, for the record, please set out here in detail how you became aware of something you felt needed above? Second, who is @dang; a subscriber or admin for HN? Please state role.
  - dang 5y ago
    I'm a moderator here. Sorry that wasn't clear.
    - scrubs 5y ago
      Acknowledged - moderator. You did not yet make clear however, how you became aware of this issue. I think that deserves a mention; nice to have not required. I can put 2+2 together either way. Now as my part here, and to conclude. I lost the moral high ground by name calling. It weakened my position. It was an unforced error; nobody to blame but myself. So please accept my apologies. I'll redouble my efforts: - Professional managers know how products, services, and assets the company own or run relate to top, bottom line. Managers also know that assets don't run the company nor do they have a profit motive or pay taxes. Assets do not make meaning. People do. And in particular those who have choice which arises out control usually through seniority, ownership, but also common sense are charged with staying on the right side public health. Anything less is a problem. Spotify seems to know that, so good for them. - Relegating Spotify as a dumb pipe reminds me of a person I knew several years ago was wont to say: "I don't talk ``X"; I just do technical." X was politics/management and related issues. This isn't the time or place to unpack this more. But there is a strong sense of a willful disassociation a distortion really between tech and the environment in which tech is used to the good or bad. I also think that's a problem. @throwawaysea This reply in context to your original post above is ... well ... is a mixed blessing too. Cheers!