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> had nothing to do with Operation Bricole, which didn't even start until 1972 So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organizati

• wk_end 5y ago
  > So the feds did get busted planting bombs to blame it on some terror organization. Just, not right away. That kinda makes what happened before they got busted suspicious doesn't it. Not really, unless you're the sort of person who believes that, say, the FBI's fake terror plots in the wake of 9/11 are proof that Bush did 9/11. Which you might be, I guess. > Weren’t they famously not even able to rule out a suicide and convict someone not even in the room when he died? No, it was certainly not a suicide; there's some who think that it might've been an accident instead of a deliberate murder, but there's little case for that. Paul Rose was one of the terrorists convicted of murder and there's some question of whether he was actually present when he died (a government report ten years after the fact believes that he wasn't; a recorded confession from a wiretapped conversation suggests he was), but there's ultimately no question that known Québécois separatist terrorists were responsible for the kidnapping and death. The FLQ took responsibility for the kidnapping and made demands for his safe return; several of the convicted, to their death beds, refused to repent for their actions. In order to believe that this was some kind of False Flag, you'd have to imagine that people were willing to pretend to be terrorists, ardently support a cause in the public eye for the better part of decade, go to prison for several years, and maintain the act for their rest of their lives, so that...Trudeau could invoke the War Measures act for a brief period of time. > Wow so there was not even a constitution to suspend? And didn't like, a third of the population just not sign it? Honestly the more I hear about it the more it sounds surreal. I don’t think this would fly in America. Well, no, it wouldn't fly in America, because (this is a bugbear of mine) Canada is a different country than America, with different laws, values, systems of government, and, yes, constitutional rights, which Canada did not even have at the time. The Canadian system of government was modelled after the UK, and the UK still doesn't have any notion of constitutional rights - nor do most other countries, even first-world democratic nations like Australia or New Zealand. Canada continues to have a Queen, which also wouldn't fly in America. I'm not sure what you mean by "a third of the population [didn't] sign it". They didn't go door-to-door and ask everyone if they wanted to sign up for constitutional rights. Quebec hasn't endorsed the Canada Act, but that very well may have nothing to do with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that's a part of it; it very well may just be an attempt to stonewall the federal government or fight its legitimacy if they feel it's needed. Quebec's relationship to the rest of Canada is complicated, as the phrase "Québécois separatist terrorists" might imply.
  • 908B64B197 5y ago
    > Not really, unless you're the sort of person who believes that, say, the FBI's fake terror plots in the wake of 9/11 are proof that Bush did 9/11 But in this case we do have hard evidence the feds did plant bombs and tried to blame it on the FLQ. > but there's ultimately no question that known Québécois separatist terrorists were responsible for the kidnapping and death Typically for murder you want to rule out accidental death and have a murdered. At least, in a real court with due process. I don’t know how much of that they were given considering the people were living under martial law at the time. > Quebec hasn't endorsed the Canada Act, but that very well may have nothing to do with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that's a part of it Isn't the point of a constitution to have everyone endorse it and sign it? That's how it was done in America.
    • wk_end 5y ago
      > But in this case we do have hard evidence the feds did plant bombs and tried to blame it on the FLQ. We likewise have evidence that the FBI created fake terror plots. You also ignored or failed to connect the dots to the rest of my post - the parts where I mentioned that the FLQ and FLQ terrorists publicly took responsibility for the kidnapping and death. > Typically for murder you want to rule out accidental death and have a murdered. At least, in a real court with due process. I don’t know how much of that they were given considering the people were living under martial law at the time. No, they were not living under martial law at the time - the relevant trials (and even arrests) were conducted after the War Measures Act was no longer in force. The fact that some people have disputed the findings of the court, years later, means little - especially in a situation as politically fraught as this, it's almost to be expected. It's certainly not reason alone to accuse the Crown of running a sham trial, as you seem to be implying. > Isn't the point of a constitution to have everyone endorse it and sign it? That's how it was done in America. Again, "how it was done in America" isn't relevant at all, because Canada is not America, and the legal relationship that the provinces have with the federal government in Canada is not the same legal relationship that the states have with the American federal government. Indeed, Canadian Confederation happened directly in the wake of the American Civil War, and many of the choices the architects of it made were deliberately different than the choices the American Founding Fathers made so as to prevent something similar from occurring here. Whether the federal government had a right to pass it or not (it went to the Supreme Court), Quebec's refusal to endorse the Canada Act was and for many years (maybe still) remained a point of contention. If you're interested, you're free to read on Wikipedia and elsewhere all about the history of Confederation, the British North America act, the Canada Act, the Constitution Act, the Patriation Reference, the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords, and so on.