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Radio stations in Canada already are required to have a portion of their content be "Canadian". And other than ads it is actually one benefit of getting away fr

by Fogest 5y ago

Radio stations in Canada already are required to have a portion of their content be "Canadian". And other than ads it is actually one benefit of getting away from listening to radio and switching to streaming services. You're able to go listen to what you want, not some forced content you hear all the time. Some stations who play things like the top hits will play Canadian songs quite a bit and it just gets boring. I recall Netflix had a deal with the government where they commit xyz amount of money to producing content for their platform made in Canada. I have no problem with things like this as I have no obligation to watch that content. If that Canadian content happens to suck then I just won't watch it. But if Netflix instead had to artificially make me see this content more when I go to browse for a show that would be frustrating. Just like if Spotify had to have their curated playlists have xyz percentage of Canadian content. I don't want what I listen to being tailored based on first the country of origin and then second whether or not I will like the song. I feel like these policies are happening because of pressure from big media companies in Canada. These companies are losing profit to American companies because now they are actually forced to compete and their average-to-meh tier content just isn't as passable anymore when people actually have options.

didibus 5y ago
I get your sentiment, but it also seems like you don't care for Canadian culture and identity, history, and everything, and would be happy seeing it eventually die out in favor of American culture or some other. Free market is nice, but applying it to culture is saying you're okay to see your culture lose to another. At the same time, how can a country of a small population win a culture content war against one of multiple time its size with much more capital. The way you talk about being forced to compete, I feel you're assuming that news, media, talk shows, music, movies, and all that are somehow not also incorporating values and morals that reflect a culture. And that there shouldn't be any desire to make sure that Canadian values, morals and historical lineage is still represented in content broadcasted to Canadians. Now personally, I value Canadian culture and identity, and I want to see it grow and prosper and still be represented in broadcast reaching Canadians. That doesn't mean blocking foreign content, but I think it's fair to make recommendations, search results, and other such promotional mechanism prioritize a certain amount of Canadian content when accessed from Canada. And even more so, I think it's a good idea if it should make sure to always include a little bit of First Nation material, a little bit of French Canadian material, etc., to give proportional representation to our minority groups as well, and support their culture and heritage too. As a Canadian consumer, it means that if you truly didn't like Canadian content, maybe you'd need to explicitly seek out non-canadian content, or non-canadian content recommendations. I could see it be an explicit opt-out setting, or having to explicitly switch to the American or some other endpoint. Maybe I'm patriotic, but ya, I do value those things. And I would want the default in Canada for broadcasters to prioritize a certain amount of Canadian content with proportional representation to our various minority/majority groups.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Free market is nice, but applying it to culture is saying you're okay to see your culture lose to another. If people want to keep it alive, they’ll simply consume it. If you can’t sell it without having to subsidize it and make special laws to force people to watch it, maybe the people already made their choice. > And even more so, I think it's a good idea if it should make sure to always include a little bit of First Nation material, a little bit of French Canadian material, etc., to give proportional representation to our minority groups as well, and support their culture and heritage too. Weren’t the state media making blatantly racist “historical documentary” (with taxpayers money) a few years ago? [0-4] Are people ok with this? I get the minority content but aren’t the French Canadians notorious for buying and consuming their own culture? I work with a few French Canadians who’s been here in the bay for decades and even their kids (born here in America) watch French Canadian content (on TikTok no less!). No need to subsidize it, they just seek it because they want to watch it. When you make something that’s worth it, people simply watch it. That’s why Parasite won an Oscar. [0] https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/cbc-the-story-of-us-representation_b_15986458 https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/cbc-the-story-of-u... [1] https://this.org/2017/07/19/where-cbcs-the-story-of-us-went-wrong/ https://this.org/2017/07/19/where-cbcs-the-story-of-us-went-... [2] https://etcanada.com/news/217608/cbc-issues-apology-after-the-story-of-us-following-criticism-from-quebec-maritimes-viewers/ https://etcanada.com/news/217608/cbc-issues-apology-after-th... [3] https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/couillard-government-wants-cbc-to-apologize-for-errors-in-the-story-of-us/ https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/couillard-govern... [4] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-apologizes-after-canadian-history-series-sparks-uproar-in-quebec-maritimes/article34666160/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-apologizes...
  - didibus 5y ago
    I mostly replied my thoughts on your other comment. But let me add that again, it isn't about French Canadians having their own content for themselves. That's again the view that's very consumer/provider capitalist driven. It is about them having a voice that reaches other Canadians, including non French Canadian ones. So in this case, yes, I'm taking a societal view, it's showing respect, interest and that we're all listening to each other to make the best society, and giving everyone an outlet. So you can easily say, ok, let 60% of all content be pure consumer/producer free market driven. But reserve a 40% to make sure Canadians of all circle of life and background have a voice that can reach other Canadians. And that would also include having voices for Ontarians, yes even truckers, or anyone else who shows interest to broadcast content, they can go to the CRTC and ask for a spot, which they'd be granted proportionally, even if their content isn't a money maker that could survive the free market.

by Fogest 5y ago

didibus 5y ago

I get your sentiment, but it also seems like you don't care for Canadian culture and identity, history, and everything, and would be happy seeing it eventually die out in favor of American culture or some other. Free market is nice, but applying it to culture is saying you're okay to see your culture lose to another. At the same time, how can a country of a small population win a culture content war against one of multiple time its size with much more capital. The way you talk about being forced to compete, I feel you're assuming that news, media, talk shows, music, movies, and all that are somehow not also incorporating values and morals that reflect a culture. And that there shouldn't be any desire to make sure that Canadian values, morals and historical lineage is still represented in content broadcasted to Canadians. Now personally, I value Canadian culture and identity, and I want to see it grow and prosper and still be represented in broadcast reaching Canadians. That doesn't mean blocking foreign content, but I think it's fair to make recommendations, search results, and other such promotional mechanism prioritize a certain amount of Canadian content when accessed from Canada. And even more so, I think it's a good idea if it should make sure to always include a little bit of First Nation material, a little bit of French Canadian material, etc., to give proportional representation to our minority groups as well, and support their culture and heritage too. As a Canadian consumer, it means that if you truly didn't like Canadian content, maybe you'd need to explicitly seek out non-canadian content, or non-canadian content recommendations. I could see it be an explicit opt-out setting, or having to explicitly switch to the American or some other endpoint. Maybe I'm patriotic, but ya, I do value those things. And I would want the default in Canada for broadcasters to prioritize a certain amount of Canadian content with proportional representation to our various minority/majority groups.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Free market is nice, but applying it to culture is saying you're okay to see your culture lose to another. If people want to keep it alive, they’ll simply consume it. If you can’t sell it without having to subsidize it and make special laws to force people to watch it, maybe the people already made their choice. > And even more so, I think it's a good idea if it should make sure to always include a little bit of First Nation material, a little bit of French Canadian material, etc., to give proportional representation to our minority groups as well, and support their culture and heritage too. Weren’t the state media making blatantly racist “historical documentary” (with taxpayers money) a few years ago? [0-4] Are people ok with this? I get the minority content but aren’t the French Canadians notorious for buying and consuming their own culture? I work with a few French Canadians who’s been here in the bay for decades and even their kids (born here in America) watch French Canadian content (on TikTok no less!). No need to subsidize it, they just seek it because they want to watch it. When you make something that’s worth it, people simply watch it. That’s why Parasite won an Oscar. [0] https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/cbc-the-story-of-us-representation_b_15986458 https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/cbc-the-story-of-u... [1] https://this.org/2017/07/19/where-cbcs-the-story-of-us-went-wrong/ https://this.org/2017/07/19/where-cbcs-the-story-of-us-went-... [2] https://etcanada.com/news/217608/cbc-issues-apology-after-the-story-of-us-following-criticism-from-quebec-maritimes-viewers/ https://etcanada.com/news/217608/cbc-issues-apology-after-th... [3] https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/couillard-government-wants-cbc-to-apologize-for-errors-in-the-story-of-us/ https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/couillard-govern... [4] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-apologizes-after-canadian-history-series-sparks-uproar-in-quebec-maritimes/article34666160/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-apologizes...
- didibus 5y ago
  I mostly replied my thoughts on your other comment. But let me add that again, it isn't about French Canadians having their own content for themselves. That's again the view that's very consumer/provider capitalist driven. It is about them having a voice that reaches other Canadians, including non French Canadian ones. So in this case, yes, I'm taking a societal view, it's showing respect, interest and that we're all listening to each other to make the best society, and giving everyone an outlet. So you can easily say, ok, let 60% of all content be pure consumer/producer free market driven. But reserve a 40% to make sure Canadians of all circle of life and background have a voice that can reach other Canadians. And that would also include having voices for Ontarians, yes even truckers, or anyone else who shows interest to broadcast content, they can go to the CRTC and ask for a spot, which they'd be granted proportionally, even if their content isn't a money maker that could survive the free market.