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> Is is really that bad? It's not that bad. I am lead on a large Angular 13 project and we love it, easy to work with, build, deploy. We have literally no is

> Is is really that bad? It's not that bad. I am lead on a large Angular 13 project and we love it, easy to work with, build, deploy. We have literally no issues at the moment. .Net 6 C# APIs on the back-end, Oracle database. It just works. Take everything with a grain of salt.

oblio 5y ago
How is internationalization? Last I asked, it was still a tire fire, even after more than a dozen versions and after a fully mature previous framework that was replaced :-(
- FinalBriefing 5y ago
  Yea...Angular made a huge (and hardly documented) change to their internationalization library that forced us to migrate to a third-party one. Basically, they now (as of Angular 12) force you to build a difference version of your app for each language you support, and either serve them up at different URLs or use cookies to serve up the right version to each user. The technical reasons make sense...your translations occur at build-time, rather than at run-time, but it's a pretty drastic change that occurred out of nowhere. Not a fan.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Hardcoding a language variable into multiple builds?
  - tlrobinson 5y ago
    Are you required to use Angular’s i18n support for some reason? I use ttag (https://ttag.js.org https://ttag.js.org) with React and like it. I don’t see any reason you couldn’t use it (or another library) with Angular.
    - oblio 5y ago
      Angular tries to be a 1 stop shop and internationalization is a major feature.
      - tlrobinson 5y ago
        That doesn’t necessarily mean you have to use it.
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Alex3917 5y ago
I feel the same way about Angular. There some minor bugs that have had open issues for 5+ years and may well never get fixed, but by and large the day-to-day experience of writing and maintaining code is pretty great. I just don't get the concept of people being like, I'm going to start a project that's likely going to take the ten years to become successful, but I'm not willing to spend the twenty hours to read the documentation so that it will be successful.
pier25 5y ago
As a user, big Angular apps feel super slow and bloated. Eg: Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. Maybe the DX is good, but from an end user perspective, Angular is far from good.
- EMM_386 5y ago
  > Eg: Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. That must be a fairly large application. Consider they are pushing it internally, I have no idea how optimized that is. When you consider this is cached, that means you only have to do that once until an update. Similar to any other software. Look at what Electron apps do in terms of constant updates. This is similar, but it's a web page.
  - pier25 5y ago
    This is just on first page you load. As you navigate it loads a LOT more more stuff. I opened the console and it loaded like 20MB, then I navigated to another section and it loaded 15MB more. And the problem is not only the bytes loaded but how clunky and slow it is in general. The Electron argument doesn't make any sense as it includes two runtimes ffs.
- Alex3917 5y ago
  > Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. That's literally the biggest (publicly known) Angular app in existence, and the fact that it's slow doesn't have anything to do with Angular. E.g. FWD:Everyone pages load in well under half a second: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/K3KKGbMyQbaCGDc-izuaow/venmo-frozen-account https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/K3KKGbMyQbaCGDc-izuaow/venmo-f... At this point the main things preventing it from being faster are the TTFB from CloudFront, and the fact that Bootstrap is used as a dependency.

oblio 5y ago

How is internationalization? Last I asked, it was still a tire fire, even after more than a dozen versions and after a fully mature previous framework that was replaced :-(

FinalBriefing 5y ago
Yea...Angular made a huge (and hardly documented) change to their internationalization library that forced us to migrate to a third-party one. Basically, they now (as of Angular 12) force you to build a difference version of your app for each language you support, and either serve them up at different URLs or use cookies to serve up the right version to each user. The technical reasons make sense...your translations occur at build-time, rather than at run-time, but it's a pretty drastic change that occurred out of nowhere. Not a fan.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Hardcoding a language variable into multiple builds?
- tlrobinson 5y ago
  Are you required to use Angular’s i18n support for some reason? I use ttag (https://ttag.js.org https://ttag.js.org) with React and like it. I don’t see any reason you couldn’t use it (or another library) with Angular.
  - oblio 5y ago
    Angular tries to be a 1 stop shop and internationalization is a major feature.
    - tlrobinson 5y ago
      That doesn’t necessarily mean you have to use it.
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Alex3917 5y ago

I feel the same way about Angular. There some minor bugs that have had open issues for 5+ years and may well never get fixed, but by and large the day-to-day experience of writing and maintaining code is pretty great. I just don't get the concept of people being like, I'm going to start a project that's likely going to take the ten years to become successful, but I'm not willing to spend the twenty hours to read the documentation so that it will be successful.

pier25 5y ago

As a user, big Angular apps feel super slow and bloated. Eg: Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. Maybe the DX is good, but from an end user perspective, Angular is far from good.

EMM_386 5y ago
> Eg: Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. That must be a fairly large application. Consider they are pushing it internally, I have no idea how optimized that is. When you consider this is cached, that means you only have to do that once until an update. Similar to any other software. Look at what Electron apps do in terms of constant updates. This is similar, but it's a web page.
- pier25 5y ago
  This is just on first page you load. As you navigate it loads a LOT more more stuff. I opened the console and it loaded like 20MB, then I navigated to another section and it loaded 15MB more. And the problem is not only the bytes loaded but how clunky and slow it is in general. The Electron argument doesn't make any sense as it includes two runtimes ffs.
Alex3917 5y ago
> Google Cloud console downloads like 20MB of resources. That's literally the biggest (publicly known) Angular app in existence, and the fact that it's slow doesn't have anything to do with Angular. E.g. FWD:Everyone pages load in well under half a second: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/K3KKGbMyQbaCGDc-izuaow/venmo-frozen-account https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/K3KKGbMyQbaCGDc-izuaow/venmo-f... At this point the main things preventing it from being faster are the TTFB from CloudFront, and the fact that Bootstrap is used as a dependency.