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It is game with millions of human lives being destroyed as a consequence at times.

okaramian 5y ago
If you don't like the game, you should probably vote for politicians that change the rules. There isn't a real bound on wealth within the system we're in, until that changes this is reality and expecting people who play it to be inherently moral is naive. Note that Im not stating a judgement either way, just pointing out how the system currently works.
- acomar 5y ago
  as pointed out in the parent comment that started this chain, politicians are captured by the same assholes who benefit from the system, as structured. if you change the politicians, they either buy or destroy their replacements. so if the system must change, what is to be done?
  - okaramian 5y ago
    On a practical level, this may or may not be true depending on the politician. I haven't seen an actual push for "taxing the super rich" go through. Sanders ran on that and lost. Reality at the moment is that at the moment if what you said is true it wouldn't matter because Americans don't care.
- arvinsim 5y ago
  Except it doesn't work since politicians themselves that benefit from the system. Think incentives, not ideals.
- piva00 5y ago
  This system is all encompassing, politicians are in it as well. The only real system change is through revolution, and revolutions are never pretty.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    Why would it have to be pretty? Change needs sacrifice.
    - piva00 5y ago
      Are you ready to sacrifice yours and your family and friends convenience and comfort for system change? Because everyone will suffer in some degree until a new system takes root. That's the hard part, I'm all up for overthrowing this shit but the consequences are always the biggest deterrent.
barry-cotter 5y ago
Humanity, the game. In the original version, conquest, you got points for taking other people’s stuff, which almost always required injuring or killing them. With the addition of the extended economic growth (capitalism) expansion pack you could gain points by making things or providing services people wanted more than what they already had.
- piva00 5y ago
  The economic growth expansion also brings a whole lot of new ways to exploit people for points. No need anymore to kill or injure them directly, you can decide to injure millions at once through a web of complex shell companies to extract some shiny rock the other people want and play the "it's all the free market" card to not get points deducted!

If you don't like the game, you should probably vote for politicians that change the rules. There isn't a real bound on wealth within the system we're in, until that changes this is reality and expecting people who play it to be inherently moral is naive. Note that Im not stating a judgement either way, just pointing out how the system currently works.

acomar 5y ago
as pointed out in the parent comment that started this chain, politicians are captured by the same assholes who benefit from the system, as structured. if you change the politicians, they either buy or destroy their replacements. so if the system must change, what is to be done?
- okaramian 5y ago
  On a practical level, this may or may not be true depending on the politician. I haven't seen an actual push for "taxing the super rich" go through. Sanders ran on that and lost. Reality at the moment is that at the moment if what you said is true it wouldn't matter because Americans don't care.
arvinsim 5y ago
Except it doesn't work since politicians themselves that benefit from the system. Think incentives, not ideals.
piva00 5y ago
This system is all encompassing, politicians are in it as well. The only real system change is through revolution, and revolutions are never pretty.
- coldtea 5y ago
  Why would it have to be pretty? Change needs sacrifice.
  - piva00 5y ago
    Are you ready to sacrifice yours and your family and friends convenience and comfort for system change? Because everyone will suffer in some degree until a new system takes root. That's the hard part, I'm all up for overthrowing this shit but the consequences are always the biggest deterrent.

barry-cotter 5y ago

Humanity, the game. In the original version, conquest, you got points for taking other people’s stuff, which almost always required injuring or killing them. With the addition of the extended economic growth (capitalism) expansion pack you could gain points by making things or providing services people wanted more than what they already had.

piva00 5y ago
The economic growth expansion also brings a whole lot of new ways to exploit people for points. No need anymore to kill or injure them directly, you can decide to injure millions at once through a web of complex shell companies to extract some shiny rock the other people want and play the "it's all the free market" card to not get points deducted!