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Can you tell me about your personal morality here? I.E, are you against all caricatures whereby a 'segment of the population' non-existent person was used, in

Can you tell me about your personal morality here? I.E, are you against all caricatures whereby a 'segment of the population' non-existent person was used, in which case you'd be equally appalled at say a caricature of a trump supporter? But you'd be OK of it was Xi Jinping throwing the virus?

platinumrad 5y ago
> I.E, are you against all cricatures whereby a 'segment of the population' non-existent person was used, in which case you'd be equally appalled at say a caricature of a trump supporter? Yes, I think it would be bigoted to depict a random rural American putting a Mexican child into a cage. Is that what you meant by "trump supporter"? Because athletes are also just ordinary citizens unlike, for example, a border patrol agent which is a representative of the state. > But you'd be OK of it was Xi Jinping throwing the virus? Yes, of course people in positions of great power are fair game. Though I think it's a bit of a boring criticism compared to something he's more directly responsible for.
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Thanks, your objections make sense to me now, and seem pretty consistent. I'd argue Xi is pretty responsible for the Covid outbreak, given the initial cover up (mirroring the SARS cover up - ie it's long-running state policy).
  - platinumrad 5y ago
    I think that's a reasonable position, with Xi serving as a stand-in for the selfish nature of the CCP bureaucracy as a whole. I'm not a fan of the guy at all, but I don't think he was responsible for local attempts to try to hide the outbreak from, well, more-or-less him. If there is anything suggesting that a coverup was also ordered on the national level, with the intent to harm other countries (or, more likely, without regard for the well-being of other countries), then that would be really interesting to me.
    - LAC-Tech 5y ago
      Yeah fair distinction, the CCP is a pretty huge organisation and Xi is just one person. Though ultimately as the leader he's the fairest target.
  - DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
    > mirroring the SARS cover up China immediately announced the outbreak, on 30 December 2019. The first patients were only discovered on 27 December. The Chinese government briefed the US government on 3 January about the outbreak, and it publicly announced that the outbreak was caused by the novel coronavirus just days later. This idea that the outbreak was covered up its just a massive rewrite of history. The US government had months to act, but didn't until it was too late. If we're going to compare the reactions of different governments, China had one of the fastest, most dramatic reactions. It locked down a region containing 60 million people less than a month after the first patients were discovered, and completely eliminated the virus by April 2020.
dahdum 5y ago
I'm appalled because it depicts the Chinese deliberately hurling the virus towards us. Considering the context of the other posters, widespread Covid conspiracy theories, and asian hate crimes skyrocketing, do you see a more benign message in that poster?

platinumrad 5y ago

> I.E, are you against all cricatures whereby a 'segment of the population' non-existent person was used, in which case you'd be equally appalled at say a caricature of a trump supporter? Yes, I think it would be bigoted to depict a random rural American putting a Mexican child into a cage. Is that what you meant by "trump supporter"? Because athletes are also just ordinary citizens unlike, for example, a border patrol agent which is a representative of the state. > But you'd be OK of it was Xi Jinping throwing the virus? Yes, of course people in positions of great power are fair game. Though I think it's a bit of a boring criticism compared to something he's more directly responsible for.

LAC-Tech 5y ago
Thanks, your objections make sense to me now, and seem pretty consistent. I'd argue Xi is pretty responsible for the Covid outbreak, given the initial cover up (mirroring the SARS cover up - ie it's long-running state policy).
- platinumrad 5y ago
  I think that's a reasonable position, with Xi serving as a stand-in for the selfish nature of the CCP bureaucracy as a whole. I'm not a fan of the guy at all, but I don't think he was responsible for local attempts to try to hide the outbreak from, well, more-or-less him. If there is anything suggesting that a coverup was also ordered on the national level, with the intent to harm other countries (or, more likely, without regard for the well-being of other countries), then that would be really interesting to me.
  - LAC-Tech 5y ago
    Yeah fair distinction, the CCP is a pretty huge organisation and Xi is just one person. Though ultimately as the leader he's the fairest target.
- DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  > mirroring the SARS cover up China immediately announced the outbreak, on 30 December 2019. The first patients were only discovered on 27 December. The Chinese government briefed the US government on 3 January about the outbreak, and it publicly announced that the outbreak was caused by the novel coronavirus just days later. This idea that the outbreak was covered up its just a massive rewrite of history. The US government had months to act, but didn't until it was too late. If we're going to compare the reactions of different governments, China had one of the fastest, most dramatic reactions. It locked down a region containing 60 million people less than a month after the first patients were discovered, and completely eliminated the virus by April 2020.

dahdum 5y ago

I'm appalled because it depicts the Chinese deliberately hurling the virus towards us. Considering the context of the other posters, widespread Covid conspiracy theories, and asian hate crimes skyrocketing, do you see a more benign message in that poster?