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Let’s assume what he’s said is awful and needs to be removed because it’s dangerous. I disagree with this, but I’ll assume it’s the case. Spotify removes him.

by exdsq 5y ago

Let’s assume what he’s said is awful and needs to be removed because it’s dangerous. I disagree with this, but I’ll assume it’s the case. Spotify removes him. He goes to YouTube or something. His fans go there. Zero tangible impact. This can actually go far worse - after the Trump subreddits got taken down they moved to another domain which is a clone of Reddit but only about Trump and now you have a smaller echo chamber with the same people attending but less counter-information or moderation. So it’s possible that you can make things worse this way too. It could make an impact if he was banned from Spotify and then quit podcasts entirely, but that’s not likely because it’s so popular. All the time we discuss this we aren’t addressing truly horrific issues like Chinese persecution of Muslim minorities or the mobilization of troops in Ukraine or other things that people will actually remember in a few months or the UK government doing all sorts of interesting things.

Johnny555 5y ago
His fans go there. But will they all follow him there? If 10% of his fans don't, then he's talking to a million fewer people than he used to. And, of course, if he says the same thing on Youtube, they'll start the same campaign to drop him from there too, until all that's left are niche providers where it's harder for people to find him. Like you, I don't agree that he's said anything so bad that he deserves to be kicked off spotify or any platform, but if someone is passionate about it, doing so would reduce his reach, at least temporarily.
- bmelton 5y ago
  Arguably, Joe has done more for Spotify than Spotify has done for Joe (ignoring the $100 million deal) Him moving to Youtube or somewhere that isn't paywalled likely increases his availability to those who aren't willing to pay to listen to him
creata 5y ago
> This can actually go far worse - after the Trump subreddits got taken down they moved to another domain which is a clone of Reddit... Is that really a failure? I imagine that cuts out a whole bunch of people who like the convenience of Reddit, or would only have found the subreddit from the front page. And it probably fractures communities, since more than one Reddit clone gets put up to replace a banned subreddit. > All the time we discuss this we aren’t addressing truly horrific issues Not everyone needs to be focusing on the most important issues.

by exdsq 5y ago

Johnny555 5y ago

His fans go there. But will they all follow him there? If 10% of his fans don't, then he's talking to a million fewer people than he used to. And, of course, if he says the same thing on Youtube, they'll start the same campaign to drop him from there too, until all that's left are niche providers where it's harder for people to find him. Like you, I don't agree that he's said anything so bad that he deserves to be kicked off spotify or any platform, but if someone is passionate about it, doing so would reduce his reach, at least temporarily.

bmelton 5y ago
Arguably, Joe has done more for Spotify than Spotify has done for Joe (ignoring the $100 million deal) Him moving to Youtube or somewhere that isn't paywalled likely increases his availability to those who aren't willing to pay to listen to him

creata 5y ago

> This can actually go far worse - after the Trump subreddits got taken down they moved to another domain which is a clone of Reddit... Is that really a failure? I imagine that cuts out a whole bunch of people who like the convenience of Reddit, or would only have found the subreddit from the front page. And it probably fractures communities, since more than one Reddit clone gets put up to replace a banned subreddit. > All the time we discuss this we aren’t addressing truly horrific issues Not everyone needs to be focusing on the most important issues.