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I think it stems from a rise in marxist thinking. Marx was obsessed with socioeconomic class and, in his mind, we should restructure society to eliminate classe

I think it stems from a rise in marxist thinking. Marx was obsessed with socioeconomic class and, in his mind, we should restructure society to eliminate classes because classes are oppressive. In this philosophy anything is acceptable if it means eliminating or reducing some form of oppression. So censorship is totally valid under this philosophy. Today, people don't talk much about "class" but the same ideas have been adapted to race, gender, and other areas that could be viewed as oppressive.

creata 5y ago
> anything is acceptable if it means eliminating or reducing some form of oppression I don't know about Marx, but that sounds closer to a comic book villain than a real person. And skimming through some search results, it looks like he heavily supported freedom of the press.
- serverholic 5y ago
  In the communist manifesto Marx advocates for the: > Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. The state controlling communications doesn't sound very free speech to me.
  - creata 5y ago
    Like I said, I don't know about Marx, and I don't know what he means by "the means of communication". But for one thing, it seems (from the paragraph above the line you quoted) that he views this as a necessary and temporary evil: > despotic inroads on the rights of property... unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production. And for another, he's also said to have said (in "Comments on the Latest Prussian Censorship Instruction"): > The real, radical cure for the censorship would be its abolition; for the institution itself is a bad one, and institutions are more powerful than people. That seems pretty unambiguously against censorship.
  - bradlys 5y ago
    One could argue that maybe it’s a means to get rid of the profit incentive that is inherent with means of communications that has always existed within a capitalistic society… Have you considered that?

creata 5y ago

> anything is acceptable if it means eliminating or reducing some form of oppression I don't know about Marx, but that sounds closer to a comic book villain than a real person. And skimming through some search results, it looks like he heavily supported freedom of the press.

serverholic 5y ago
In the communist manifesto Marx advocates for the: > Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. The state controlling communications doesn't sound very free speech to me.
- creata 5y ago
  Like I said, I don't know about Marx, and I don't know what he means by "the means of communication". But for one thing, it seems (from the paragraph above the line you quoted) that he views this as a necessary and temporary evil: > despotic inroads on the rights of property... unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production. And for another, he's also said to have said (in "Comments on the Latest Prussian Censorship Instruction"): > The real, radical cure for the censorship would be its abolition; for the institution itself is a bad one, and institutions are more powerful than people. That seems pretty unambiguously against censorship.
- bradlys 5y ago
  One could argue that maybe it’s a means to get rid of the profit incentive that is inherent with means of communications that has always existed within a capitalistic society… Have you considered that?