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Rogan apologized too. No need for the "gotcha" act.

_-david-_ 5y ago
So Spotify is only going apologize if somebody who says the N word also apologizes. Since all those musicians who used it aren't apologizing then Spotify won't?
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  I don't know what Spotify will do. I am saying that we should take Rogan's word for it when he apologized for being offensive.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    Rogan didn't apologize for 'being offensive', he did so for unknowingly causing offense by mentioning the so-called 'N-word' in sensible contexts. It ought to go without saying that taking offense at such mentions, as if someone were somehow inherently complicit with slavery and/or racism for the mere neutral utterance of even the most hateful slur can only be described as irrational, even magical thinking.
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      Except that isn't what he apologized for at all. It requires "irrational, even magical thinking" to interpret his words that way. From Rogan [1]: “the most regretful and shameful thing that I’ve ever had to talk about publicly.” “horrible, even to me.” “I was trying to make the story entertaining and I said it was like we got out and we were in Africa. It’s like we were in ‘Planet of the Apes,’” he said, adding that it was an “idiotic” thing to say that “looks terrible even in context.” [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/arts/music/joe-rogan-spotify-apology-slur.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/arts/music/joe-rogan-spot...
      - zozbot234 5y ago
        That's of course one thing he apologized for. And in context it could easily be excused as humor, though of course I would hardly fault anyone for taking offense at such a crass and unbecoming "joke".
        long_time_gone 5y ago
        What happened to "he did so for unknowingly causing offense by mentioning the so-called 'N-word' in sensible contexts"?
        zozbot234 5y ago
        He did both, and the N-word thing was the most direct causal factor (because it had been pointed out in a viral video). The Planet of the Apes/Africa "joke" was something that Rogan chose to also talk about since it made sense to deal with both. (Similarly, he chose to remove a far greater amount of podcasts than those that had explicitly been mentioned as containing the problematic word, to deal with the issue as a whole. This is him taking sincere steps to rectify the offense he may have inadvertently caused. He clearly could have "gotten away" with far less, had he wanted to.)
TameAntelope 5y ago
He only apologized after he got in trouble, so I feel less moved by that apology than if he had done so organically.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  When have you realized you did a bad thing and then publicly apoligized about it thus drawing more attention to it?

So Spotify is only going apologize if somebody who says the N word also apologizes. Since all those musicians who used it aren't apologizing then Spotify won't?

long_time_gone 5y ago
I don't know what Spotify will do. I am saying that we should take Rogan's word for it when he apologized for being offensive.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  Rogan didn't apologize for 'being offensive', he did so for unknowingly causing offense by mentioning the so-called 'N-word' in sensible contexts. It ought to go without saying that taking offense at such mentions, as if someone were somehow inherently complicit with slavery and/or racism for the mere neutral utterance of even the most hateful slur can only be described as irrational, even magical thinking.
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    Except that isn't what he apologized for at all. It requires "irrational, even magical thinking" to interpret his words that way. From Rogan [1]: “the most regretful and shameful thing that I’ve ever had to talk about publicly.” “horrible, even to me.” “I was trying to make the story entertaining and I said it was like we got out and we were in Africa. It’s like we were in ‘Planet of the Apes,’” he said, adding that it was an “idiotic” thing to say that “looks terrible even in context.” [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/arts/music/joe-rogan-spotify-apology-slur.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/arts/music/joe-rogan-spot...
    - zozbot234 5y ago
      That's of course one thing he apologized for. And in context it could easily be excused as humor, though of course I would hardly fault anyone for taking offense at such a crass and unbecoming "joke".
      - long_time_gone 5y ago
        What happened to "he did so for unknowingly causing offense by mentioning the so-called 'N-word' in sensible contexts"?
        zozbot234 5y ago
        He did both, and the N-word thing was the most direct causal factor (because it had been pointed out in a viral video). The Planet of the Apes/Africa "joke" was something that Rogan chose to also talk about since it made sense to deal with both. (Similarly, he chose to remove a far greater amount of podcasts than those that had explicitly been mentioned as containing the problematic word, to deal with the issue as a whole. This is him taking sincere steps to rectify the offense he may have inadvertently caused. He clearly could have "gotten away" with far less, had he wanted to.)

TameAntelope 5y ago

He only apologized after he got in trouble, so I feel less moved by that apology than if he had done so organically.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
When have you realized you did a bad thing and then publicly apoligized about it thus drawing more attention to it?